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Holding Tank Smell

Need some input or ideas here. We are living aboard now and and before we moved aboard I took and changed out all the vent hose. All the toilet hose to the best there is on the market. I have even put in a new tank inspection cover as the old one developed a crack. The odor treatment we use is called Odorlos Dry Holding tank treatment. Which comes in a packet and we add one per tank after it is pumped out. Any water that goes into it for flushing is tap water an not lake or seawater for flushing. The smell we are getting is not in the bathroom but in the main salon area of the boat. Where the tank is. I just email Ronco to ask them if the 20 yr old tank could leach the odor. As that is the last item to be changed out in the whole head system. I am curious if anyone has had this same issue and if so what was the cure.
Randy

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Peggie Hall has just joined our Message Board. Randy, why not post a question there. My guess is that her first answer will be check your bilge, but I'm sure yours is spotless.

Give her a try on co.com, too, here: [url]http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31[/url]

And there's this "Primer" --- [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5755.0.html[/url]

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Thanks for the site Stu. I knew of Peggy and will post the question their. As for the bilge I keep ours clean and dried out. Only water I get is from the rain down the mast. If there is any standing water I have a cup and sponge that stays in in there to get what water out.
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This may sound bogus, but when I get a bit of holding tank odor, I get out my trusty bottle of Tilex and spray the holding tank, the area around it and the hoses. The smell goes away. I know this doesn't make any sense, but it works for me, year after year. My hoses are original, I don't have any leaks in the tank, so I don't really know where the odor originates. I only get a noticeable odor once or twice a year, so replacing the hoses hasn't been a priority yet.

Gary and Cathy Price
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I have noticed an odor, from tiime to time. I have a Sealand/dometic vacuflush, new pipes, etc.

I have determined odor comes from vent pipe in stanchion. When starboard bulkhead window is open, odor migrates into salon...

Al

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Just for the heck of it check to make sure your batteries aren't being over charged. One of my old dock mates had an egg water smell in his boat and we found it was his batteries cooking

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I called Ronco and talked to the guy that handles all the Catalina tanks and he told me that to his knowledge that he has never known a tank to permeate an Oder thru the plastic. So now the hunt is on to find the reason for the Oder, I will definitely try the tile X or a bleach solution and was the outside of the tank. It seems more prevalent form when we have been out sailing or moving. If we set for a few days it is not noticeable. So looking at the fittings and making sure they are tight is a great idea.
Randy

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I had the same problem - constant low grade odor and stronger odor when somebody flushed the (vacu pump) toilet. I forget where I saw it, but I got the following suggested treatment: Pump out the holding tank and refill with fresh water. Repeat this process several times. Then pour a couple of gallons of white vinegar in the holding tank and fill once again with fresh water. (What I added to this was to flush a water vinegar solution down the toilet several times to let it sit in the hoses.) Take your boat out sailing for at least a few hours to allow the water & vinegar to slosh around. Then let it sit for several days and once again pump out. Fill with fresh water but first put a couple of boxes of baking soda in the tank (also through the toilet). Then pump this out.

I did this and the odor is gone. I don't know if it will return, but it worked for now anyway.

SF Bay
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John,

I think the term for the procedure you performed would be Douche.
Bet your boat smells fresh as daisy after.

Randy, as I recall you are in fresh water, that in itself should minimize the head oder. I have not Douched my system and that sounds like a good plan but, just switching from salt to fresh water made a huge difference on my boat. I do not know if there are enough micro organisms in your local water to effect the odor. In salt water once those oganisms die from lack of oxygen in the head and holding tank it really gets foul.

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John and Randy,
I have a similar problem with a low-grade smell around the tank, but cannot see any problems. Also, my external tank monitor would never read less than 46%, even thought the tank had just been pumped out. I figured there was a bunch of "stuff" stuck in there. A few weeks ago I read about the "GEO Method" (google it to get the details). Last weekend I pumped out the tank, put in 2 cups of Calgon water softener, 2 cups of detergent, then filled it 2/3 full with fresh water thru the pumpout fitting. It's been sitting all week. I plan to go sailing this weekend to slosh it around, and then pump it out. I'll report back how it works. Further reading has told me that the second half of the GEO Method, large doses of bleach, is not something you should do, so I will just see how the water softener and detergent works. Fingers crossed.....

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Last year I elected to take the vent fitting off the top of my supposedly empty holding tank, then used a long steel rod (slightly curved) to poke aound. I found surprisingly little solid matter in there.

It may not be the best method, but I was told to add a cup or so of original formula Pine-Sol to the tank with some water and let it slosh a while underway. When it gets pumped out later, the hope is that is has broken up any solid deposits that might otherwise remain. We have no reason to doubt its effectiveness, but can't prove it one way or another except for the inspection noted above.

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[QUOTE=alpace;6270]I have noticed an odor, from tiime to time. I have a Sealand/dometic vacuflush, new pipes, etc.

I have determined odor comes from vent pipe in stanchion. When starboard bulkhead window is open, odor migrates into salon...

Al[/QUOTE]

Al, Peggie recommends Odorless from Raritan. See my link above.

Duane, Peggie also recommends PureAyre for odors outside the tank, not tilex.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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by the way, I forgot to mention with that "douche" treatment I described on this thread: Leave the water and baking soda mix in the holding tank for a few days before pumping out.

SF Bay
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Thank guys for the tips and ideas. We did do the calgon treatment 2 years ago to the tank. Just before I changed out all the hoses. Vent hose's also. Right now being out using the toilet system daily will be harder for us to treat it again. But may have to if it keeps up. I did call Ronco and they told me they do not know of any tanks being permeated by the smell. So I have to take there word on it as I did the damp rag trick on the tank and it did not smell. I did find that the vent hose should be taped with teflon tape again.
Randy

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Boat. St Augustine,Fl.

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John,

When I first read your douche treatment plan, it made me recall the bath tube toy boats that came in cereal boxes in the 50's. You would put a drop of viniger in a chamber with some baking soda and snap it closed as I recall. The boat would then propel itself around the bath tube.

I wonder how far the C36 would get with its holding tank full of baking soda and viniger for propulsion.

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Steve, after the pressure builds and you open the through hull you may find you have discovered a new way to get the boat going sideways!
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My tank fitting had a small crack that let just a little of the good stuff weep out and smell the whole boat up. A dab of 5200 on the threads and in the crack has been holding well so far. Good luck

Mark Andrews
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San Diego

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You can add some oxygen treatment - we used the oxygen bleach - sort of like napisan (there are other cheaper non branded versions). We used this in the porta-potti, and the smell was non-offensive.

Cat375 - Rock The Boat - Hull 54
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