Galley foot pump thru-hull question

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Galley foot pump thru-hull question

Ok, while I've only had this girl for a few weeks, but something seems awry. So far I've found only 2 thru hulls ( I really expected 3). One for the head and one for the galley foot pump. But apparently the galley thru hull is has a tee and is also for the engine cooling ?

I shut off the galley and head thru hulls for my first sail on 1/3 and within no time the Universal was starting to overheat. Opened the thru hull in the aft birth (that also supplies water to the galley foot pump) and she cooled down just fine.

Is this normal or has there been some PO modifications I need to "un-do" and set right ?
I would have expected 3 thru hulls, 1 for head, 1 for galley, 1 for engine. Is there a risk keeping the aft one open all the time we are aboard ?

Peace,
Maze

1985 Catalina 36 Tall #404
s/v Peace of Mind
Austin, Tx.

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Maze,

My boat a Rocket 88 model, has a total of 5 through hulls: one for the head sink, one for the toilet raw water intake both of these are under the shower seat. One for holding tank discharge under the port seat outboard of the main cabin table, one for the galley sink drain that often has the ice box drain tee'd into it and one aft for the engine raw water intake.

My boat does not have a raw water foot pump, I understand why it would be tee'd into the engine raw water intake. For one the raw water intake for the engine has a strainer on it this would help keep debris out of you raw water sink pump. Secondly if tee'd into the sink drain you would just be recycling your waste water back through your foot pump as it would be picking up the water going out the sink drain.

I keep my raw water shut off when at the dock for two reasons, the first being my attempt to slow electrolisys as I am in salt water. the second would be to reduce any chance of flooding due to a raw water leak. In as much as you are in fresh water, I would not be concerned about leaving this valave open when aboard as electrolisys is less of a problem in fresh water and as for flooding, you can alway turn it off after your feet get wet when you are aboard. I would turn it off when you leave. My habit is to hang my ignition key from the through hull valve as this reminds me to shut it off when I leave and also assures the fact that I will not start the engine with the water off as I need to get the key off the through hull before starting.

You mention that your engine did get hot with the water turned off, I would recomend that you inspect your raw water impeller as they disintigrate in a hurry with no water to lubricate them.

Happy to have you aboard and I am glad are enjoying your boat, I suspect that it will be a long love affair as you are just starting to learn what a fantastic boat you have. I have had mine for three years now and have found she has far fewer bad habits many of my past loves.

Cepheus dream
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Maze,
Tara has 7 below waterline thru hulls (not counting the depth and the water-wheel transponders):
1. Engine Inlet
2. Galley Sink Drain
3. Direct Overboard Head Discharge
4. Holding Tank Macerator Discharge
5. Head Sink Drain
6. Shower Drain
7. AC Inlet

Originally the foot pump was seawater, but I re-plumbed it to the fresh water manifold. Just a quick step on the pedal and a squirt of water to wash or rinse. Although Tara has over 100 gallons of freshwater in 4 tanks and has never run low, I still try to save water (old habit of a steam ship's chief engineer).

Also, I converted the head to fresh water by hanging a 5 gallon solar shower bag behind the door that is behind the thundermug. Connecting the shower bag hose to the head pump finishes the job. Now Nurse Judi can have "Blue Water" in the bowel and the scent of decaying sealife no longer wafts in the cabin. Refilling the bag is easy as unscrewing the bag fill cap, sticking the shower nozzle in the hole and filling. Throw in a piece of one of those blue water cakes and Voila! Fresh blue potty water with each flush.

Fair Winds,

Glenn "Chooch" Jewell
Nautae Luna 1232 (RIP Tara 389 Hurricane Sally 2020)
GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!

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Maze:

You will definitely want to check that your impeller is still fully intact, as noted in the earlier post.

If you find that pieces have broken off, they can end up in your heat exchanger and block water flow.

It sounds scary, but these are simple to check and fix.

Laura
S/V Miramar (hull 938)

Laura Olsen
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S/V Miramar
hull 938 (MKI 1989, TR,WK, M25xp)
Edgemere, MD

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Thanks folks.
I did inspect the impeller and all seems rather mailable. I think it is ok, but I do have a spare on board just in case.

As for the number and location of the thru-hulls, wow... there are a bunch and an adventure finding them all, with her in the water, and then determining what they were for. This is what I found.

From bow to stern:
1) Below Vberth - a below water line intake for Cruisair environmental system and an above water discharge for same system.

2) Head - Below water line intake for MSD Head and an above water line discharge for head sink/shower bildge and something else (looks to be the hot water heater, but I have not traced the line to know for sure)

3) Port Couch - Underwater mercerator discharge that is disabled and locked closed since this vessel sails on inland lakes.

4) Port Couch - Another really large under water line thru hull that is capped, no valve, adjacent to that. No clue what this would be for.

5) Galley - a T to a below water line thru hull for sink discharge.

6) Aft berth - under water intake that provides water to cool the engine and supply the galley foot pump.

7) Bildge discharge above water line line at the center lower part of the transom.

So that is what I've found. Since I still dont have my C36 Technical CD (how long does it take to get that after signing up for the 3 year) , I'm just guessing what is original and what was added by PO's.

Thanks for all the good advice folks, Everyday I learn a bit more about her systems.

BTW, did I mention she sails like a dream ?

Peace,
Maze

1985 Catalina 36 Tall #404
s/v Peace of Mind
Austin, Tx.

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[QUOTE=MazeRat7;3851]Thanks folks.

So that is what I've found. Since I still dont have my C36 Technical CD (how long does it take to get that after signing up for the 3 year) , I'm just guessing what is original and what was added by PO's.

Thanks for all the good advice folks, Everyday I learn a bit more about her systems.

BTW, did I mention she sails like a dream ?

Peace,
Maze[/QUOTE]

Maze,

If you will let me know when you signed up for 3 years I will check and see what happened to your CD.

Thanks,

Ralph
Still a Thrill # 765
WK, STD Rig
Lake Texoma, TX

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Maze,

"4) Port Couch - Another really large under water line thru hull that is capped, no valve, adjacent to that. No clue what this would be for."

That would be for your overboard sewage direct discharge line.
Ye ole 1.5" Poo Pipe.
Not too common these days...

Fair Winds,

Glenn "Chooch" Jewell
Nautae Luna 1232 (RIP Tara 389 Hurricane Sally 2020)
GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!

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[QUOTE=StillaThrill;3856]Maze,

If you will let me know when you signed up for 3 years I will check and see what happened to your CD.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]

It was Dec 21st 2009. Transaction # 7CJ57028002046203
Let me know if you need more info. Thanks for looking into it for me.

Maze

1985 Catalina 36 Tall #404
s/v Peace of Mind
Austin, Tx.

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[QUOTE=chooch;3857]Maze,

"4) Port Couch - Another really large under water line thru hull that is capped, no valve, adjacent to that. No clue what this would be for."

That would be for your overboard sewage direct discharge line.
Ye ole 1.5" Poo Pipe.
Not too common these days...[/QUOTE]

Thanks Chooch. What do folks generally do with the pump and hardware that is still there but not used ? Seems like I should have the smaller one next to it capped as well and just take the whole pump assembly out. Maybe add some extra holding tank capacity in its place ?

Cheers,
Maze

1985 Catalina 36 Tall #404
s/v Peace of Mind
Austin, Tx.

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Maze,
If you are talking about the galley foot pump, I converted Tara's to a manual fresh water pump for the sink. After, of course, cleaning it out and flushing it with some bleach water.

Fair Winds,

Glenn "Chooch" Jewell
Nautae Luna 1232 (RIP Tara 389 Hurricane Sally 2020)
GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!

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