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Table Design

I am planning to replace the existing 2 leaf folding table in our MKI. I find the leaves are very flimsy and as this will be the main eating area inside I do like something that is solid. What designs have been used. Is there any need for having the folding leaves? Your thoughts are most welcome. We do not plan to use this area as a berth and want something that is always there. I have also noticed on a lot of newer boats there are no fiddles on the edges. Any thoughts on this as well.

Ross & Joanne
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Ross and Joanne,
I'm pretty sure that your folding table was made by the PO of your boat. Julandra, #659, has a solid, one piece table with small fiddles on all four sides. It is VERY sturdy. You might take a look at the pictures of several C36's for sale on Yachtworld, and you will see some OEM tables. Many owners have built or bought smaller, cocktail table style tables to free up more room in the salon.

Tom Sokoloski
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I did not know of a folding table on our boats, mine a 1988 vintage has a solid top table that drops down to form a berth. The earlier and later boats I have seen have the same set up. Pre 88 boats had wood formica tops and post 88's have white formica on the MKI boats. Yours may have an aftermarket table, I think cruising concepts made a folding table for our boats.

The new C445 has a lovely table that looks to be the same dimension as ours by eyeball, I called Catalina for exact dimensions on this table and never recieved a reply. The table in that boat is disigned where all four corners fold in to make a nice little cocktail table and it allows easy access to the seating area when folded and opens to the full size when openend up. It still drops down to form the berth when opened up to full size. If the size is not correct or the price is outrageous from Catalina you could problably build or have one built if you could copy the design.

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Ross,
Steve's post reminded me that one of our former Commodores, Dennis Stovill, built a table just as Steve described. He wrote it up with a bunch of pictures, and it's in the Upgrade section of this website, on page 6 (Technical > Upgrades). Hope this helps.

Tom Sokoloski
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Ross -
I'm actually in the process of crafting a corner leaf table out of 5/4 teak like the one that Cruising Concepts made for Dennis and Mary Stovall (its done, actually, and I'm just waiting for it to get warm enough outside for me to start applying the finish). Assuming my new table its going to work as designed (my mock-up out of plywood did), I'll then have on hand a surplus original stock 1-piece table taking up room in my cellar and I'd be glad to send to you for the shipping cost. (Have no idea what shipping to St. John from NYC would be, but no doubt far less than a new table)

I'm assuming our boats have the same dimensions in that area. Let me know.

Matthew Chachère
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(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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Matthew,

That is a great gesture, should be good for your Karma.

This is just another example of what make this organization so great.

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Thanks for the offer but shipping is also too much. I guess I will have to build a new table.
So this brings the question is it good to have a smaller cocktail type table for socializing and a larger one for dinning? I have a couple of ideas but what do you find. My last boat was a C30 and it was always a pain to get around the full table but at the same time it was not great when you had it down as a berth.... No place to put food or drinks.

Ross & Joanne
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[QUOTE=Steve Frost;12221]Matthew,

That is a great gesture, should be good for your Karma.

This is just another example of what make this organization so great.[/QUOTE]

Actually, it would have been good Karma on Ross and Joanne's part to take it off my hands so that there's less boat stuff cluttering up my cellar! Well, perhaps I'll put it up on the website's "Classified" section next month as a freebie, once I've seen how my new table works out.

By the way, Ross, if you want the dimensions of the OEM table on my boat, they are 35 13/16" x 33 9/16" (a slightly rectangular piece). The design of the replacement with drop corners requires it to be square, so its 35 13/16" on each side, and folded up its 25 5/16" on each side.

Matthew Chachère
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(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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Matthew,

If you can put together a sketch of the dimensions of your table that would be great. You have given the open and folded dimensions, I guess if you could tell us what the corner dimensions are anyone could make the table, the dimension from the open corner to the hinge I think would fill in this blank unless there are hidden traps in the design that I have not considered.

Steve

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[QUOTE=Steve Frost;12232]

If you can put together a sketch of the dimensions of your table that would be great. You have given the open and folded dimensions, I guess if you could tell us what the corner dimensions are anyone could make the table, the dimension from the open corner to the hinge I think would fill in this blank unless there are hidden traps in the design that I have not considered.

Steve[/QUOTE]

Sure -
The center section is 25 5/16" square, the 4 corner leaves are Isoceles right triangles with one side 25 5/16" and the other 2 sides 17 7/8".
One of those rare times in my adult life I've gotten to use my high school geometry to figure something out (Pythagorean theorum).
I'll try to take some close ups of the sections and post them soon.
The are no hidden traps, but very careful measuring and cutting is required to get it all to line up perfectly (or at least acceptably). I cut the "leaves" slightly oversized so I could gradually belt sand them down to fit. The special hinges you'll need for this (West and others have them) don't allow for any adjustment, so the slightest misalignment in the mortises you cut for the hinges (or the screw holes) will cause greater misalignment of the leaves -- ergo, cut them large so they can be planed down to fit once the hinges are installed.

Matthew Chachère
s/v ¡Que Chévere!
(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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[QUOTE=Chachere;12236]Sure -
I'll try to take some close ups of the sections and post them soon.
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So here's some photos.
First up is a picture of the mock-out made from 3/4 plywood. It's a lot cheaper to figure out the mistakes with a piece of CDX than teak.

There are a few shots of the completed pieces before the finish was applied. The table is mostly made out of 5/4 teak, biscuit joined with epoxy. The fiddles are made out of 4/4 teak, which also provides the edging for the pieces.

Matthew Chachère
s/v ¡Que Chévere!
(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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There are a few shots of the completed pieces before the finish was applied. [/QUOTE]
A few more pics of the completed pieces before finishing, then some pics of the completed table installed.

Matthew Chachère
s/v ¡Que Chévere!
(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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Beautiful.

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That is really great work. Congratulations.

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