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Staysail / inner forestay

Anyone rigged a removeable inner forestay for a staysail? I have looked at two options, either a 'solent stay' arrangement very close to the current forestay, for a hanked-on 100% jib, or a true staysail setup with a 3/4 height forestay.

The second option I think would require running backstays? At least it seems it would be advisable. So I lean towards a solent stay arrangement. Anyone tried it? I can see how I could set up a good mounting arrangement in the anchor locker, but wondering what I would need to do up the mast. Also, has anyone tried a synthetic stay (vectran?) or just used wire?

Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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I saw it up at a Catalina Rendezvous in the early 2000's. I think I wrote up something about it in a Mainsheet Tech note. Right now I do not recall the specifics, but I kind of think it was rigged as a 3/4 set up (versus a Solent to top of mast) But I can't be sure, I am not even sure if they had running backstays, I think he might have terminated the Stay-Sail near the spreaders and with our stout mast and lower afts, maybe didn't need any. Below is an ok picture of that boat.

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I question how the above pictured setup could have adequate below decks support without putting a chainplate through the middle of the V-berth? If this is the sail I am going to use in heavy air I think it is going to need some serious backing.

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I agree with that assessment, Nimue.

Do you have a name we can use?

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I Agree. I believe that this boat had a very beefy attachment point and bracing in the v-berth. I am sorry i don't have any pictures of the below decks, but I do know it was beefed up and also with an additional sort of rod that was attached forward at an angle to the forward area under the chain locker. Yes it did obstruct the v-berth somwhat but it wasn't terrible and it was livaable

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I would think a partial ring frame over the top, like an inverted U, bonded to the hull sides would be the way to take that load, but that sail would be too small for what I want. I basically was thinking it would be nice to be able to pop a 90% jib up on it's own stay close the headstay when I want, so a chainplate in the anchor locker, an attachment 18" below the headstay, then some way to hoist a sail.

After a couple days thinking about it, I think I would get the sail built with a vectran luff rope and put it on one of these continuous-line furlers. I would take my second jib halyard, make it 2:1 with the end terminating 18" down from the top of the mast, and use that to hoist it. The bottom of the sail would sit somewhere over the anchor locker. The whole sail should sit just far enough aft of the forestay to work, and will stow in a bag 'rolled', so that you could be sailing with the 150%, hoist the rolled jib, unfurl it, and then furl the big sail. Pretty much how the Volvo 70s were doing it.

Now if I only had the budget to get that continuous furler I think I could put it all together.

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I agree. I always thought if I was going offshore and needing a storm jib a removable solent type set up would work best.

Or maybe put a code zero type sail out forward of the forestay and keep a smaller flat jib on the forestay for heavy winds

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I had an '88 Catalina 30 before my 36. I'm pretty sure I read an article in Mainsheet about someone who added a staysail. My recollection is that it was a removable stay that was stored at the shrouds. There was a deck fitting, reinforced below decks with a rod or stay that ran just below the anchor locker in the forward cabin and attached to a fitting run through the bow above the water line. On the tall rig 30's, there is a short bowsprit, with a stay that has a fitting about a foot above the waterline; I think that the below decks reinforcement terminated at that fitting.

I'd think the same sort of set up would work for a 36'. I've thought about such a mod myself for those really brisk days on the Bay (especially since my 3 favorite works are "small craft advisory..."). Having a tall rig is great for the predominantly light winds, but way to much when the breeze is up.

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10 years after this post and I'm wondering about this myself.  Has anyone done it (solent stay)?  If so, how do you like it, is it as you envisioned?  How did you rig it? What would you do differently or keep the same?

Thanks

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Hi,

I installed some 30 years ago a Solent (remouble inner stay) on my C36. It works great when blowing more than 20 TWS, roll the Genoa and set the Solente. Sail is a Yankee with hanks. The main issue is to reinforce internally the attachment of the inner stay and the tack point of the Yankee.

I include some pictures, on the backboard of the bowsprit, you can see the two "bridges" for the inner stay and the Yankee.

Hope it helps!

Good luck!

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Eureka,

Can you describe or do you have pictures explaining how you reinforced the attachment point for the stay and sail? 

Kyle Ewing
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Belmont Harbor, Chicago
 

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