Engine RPM'S under load survey

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Engine RPM'S under load survey

Looking for some comparison numbers on rpm's at full load (throttle) on a M35 A with different prop configurations. I have a 1995 #1474 so it is the older M35

1. Two blade fixed prop
2. Three blade fixed prop
3. Max Prop three blade 15" classic

We can post this on the website as a reference.

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I have a 1994 with three bladed prop. Can get 3200 full out. Surveyor ran it up to that during sea trial. I keep it at 2200 to 2800 when cruising.
I'm third owner and don't know if prop is original or not. Engine is M35A.

Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida

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'85 3-blade, and I can get it to about 2800 max under load.

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I have a 15" max prop 3 blade and have it pitched for 3100 rpms at wto in gear. Wto in neutral is 3200.

Randy Sherwood
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I have a 15" x 10" 3 blade fixed on my boat with the M25. At full throttle in gear I get 2700-2800 rpm and in neutral I get 3000rpm. I know that that prop is slightly over pitched for my engine but it's nice having the power.

Chris Bates
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#446 tall rig M25
Mystic, CT

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So what is your pitch?

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Prop 15" diameter, Pitch 10".

Chris, you state you like the extra power of being over proped?
Your engine will not develop more power at lower RPM, the manual calls for a propeller that will give full 3200 RPM for the M25 to achive maximum power. Being short 500 RPM will not develope more power, cruise speed may be up somewhat but, if pushing against a headwind or current you will not develope all the HP your engine is capable of at 2700. You will never get a skier up at that RPM.

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As Steve F and others well know, most higher performance propeller-driven aircraft have had variable-pitch props so that you can match the pitch to the load and other conditions. You get the best of both worlds (except for the weight, expense, and complexity of the mechanism).

In boats, having a fixed-pitch prop means it will not be ideal except at one set of conditions. A slight over-pitch will often mean lower RPM needed for a given boat speed in the mid-cruising range, which can be good. But try to push to the max power and it can't get there, meanwhile overloading the engine.

The Autoprop (and some others) supposedly self-adjusts its pitch to the load for pretty efficient results. Motor-sailing is a great example where a portion of the boat speed is provided by the sails, so the ideal efficiency is a mid-low engine RPM with a higher prop pitch. Of course, then the question of running a diesel under too low a load comes into play.

Not that anyone asked... ;)

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I just installed three blade max prop, initially pitched it at 16 degrees, way too little pitch, max rpm under load went up to 3900 rpm's, just hauled boat and changed pitch to 18 degrees much better performance but still running at 3500-3600 rpm's, still too high for me so when I haul this spring gonna up the pitch to 20 degrees which should get me back to about 3200. On a side note, had an auto prop on spendin time for one season, walked like a bear to port and the shake rattle and roll on the strut was too much for me to take, pulled it off and sold it. Had I not bought this prop so right I would have looked at the four blade Eco wind self feathering prop from PYI, it looks pretty neat.

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I know that I am losing some powere from not reaching full rpm and I am planning on having the prop re-pitched the next time the boat is out of the water. As far as speed under power goes I have been cruising at 2000rpm with an average speed of between 6 and 6.5kts even when I had 25kts of wind on the nose. At full throttle in flat water I am getting almost 7.8kts out of the boat but at that speed the engine is overloaded, which is why I am planning on having it re-pitch to 15"x9".

Chris Bates
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#446 tall rig M25
Mystic, CT

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As far as my comment of extra power is concerned, I am putting more power to the water as compared to the prop that was on the boat when I bought it which was a small 2 bladed folding prop.

Chris Bates
S/V C King
#446 tall rig M25
Mystic, CT

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