Quickline Ultra Anchor

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Quickline Ultra Anchor

I have started anchoring now, and have decided to look at possibly changing my anchor set up.
I have seen these anchors at boat shows, and they sure do look pretty.
Their size/weight chart says that my boat at 22K pounds would need a 46 pound anchor, which would cost almost $2K.
I have never even looked at or priced anchors, and my first reaction was, are you kidding me?
I don't know if I really need something that heavy or beefy. Not a blue water guy, and have only anchored a few times in protected coves for lunch.
Anyone have experience with this brand anchor? How much does your primary anchor weigh?

Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA

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This is an issue that wil prompt many responses and opinions. Of course, one of the many questions is where you plan to anchor and the nature of the bottom. For us, in southwest Florida with sandy bottoms mostly the 33lb Bruce was recommended. We eventually stepped up to a 44lb Bruce and with our chain/rode setup, together with a sentinel, we have no concerns with dragging.

David S. Power
Two If By Sea #1687
Burnt Store Marina
Punta Gorda, FL

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34 pound Delta (Lewmar) works great for me. Cost $75 used but I think they're only about $200 new.

Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Are our boats actually 22k lbs? Design displacement is about 13-14k lbs, and I can't imagine much more than 18k fully loaded (that's about 1,000 lbs. for water and fuel and 3,000 lbs for everything else).

Anyway, the current "universally recommended" anchor types, the Manson Supreme and the Rocna, are both around $400 if you get them galvanized. Stainless is a whole different ballgame -- I'm not really sure why anyone gets a stainless anchor, unless they want them to last for 50 years.

David
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Hull #2133 -- 2003 MKII
Seattle, WA

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20,500 lbs. No mast/rigging, no fluids other than diesel full. Just hauled for the 4th year, 2 different cranes, weight has always been 20,500 lbs in and out. That is not an uncommon weight for a Mk II. Sorry for the hijack.

Quickline seems to only sell stainless anchors, I'm thinking they're mostly used as bow jewellery on big stinkboats. Most sailors buy galvanized anchors. We have a 45 lb Manson Supreme and a 45 lb Delta, though the Delta has been retired to the aft locker for a couple of years now, the Manson is way superior. Anchor is only part of the equation though, you need lots of chain and a stout windlass, unless you have the build of Hulk Hogan.

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[QUOTE=bstreet;19960]20,500 lbs. No mast/rigging, no fluids other than diesel full. Just hauled for the 4th year, 2 different cranes, weight has always been 20,500 lbs in and out. That is not an uncommon weight for a Mk II. Sorry for the hijack.[/quote]

This likely just means crane & travel lift scales are horribly inaccurate. Our C-36 was DOT weighed when the hauler got the DOT wave down on the way to our house one winter. They held him up for over an hour because one of his tires did not meet the load rating or some other dumb thing DOT likes to pull on hard working guys....

She weighed in at 14,600 +/- with the spar, sails, 3/4 full diesel tank and all our cruising gear on board, including 300' of chain. Water tanks were empty. This right after she had come off a travel lift showing her weighing 16,700....

With crane scales it is all how the load is balanced. I've watched my buddy John change the weight of a boat by 4000 pounds just by moving the straps and shifting the weight.. He laughs anytime someone wants their boat weighed and tells them to call a trucker...

A good customer of mine got stiffed by his trucker back in about 2002. He was shipping his Cape Dory 36 from Florida to Maine. He told the trucker it weighed about 17,800 pounds, to be on the safe side. Her listed displacement IIRC is 16,000 +/-.

Long and short is the trucker left the boat yard and a day into the trip calls my customer demanding more money because the boat weighed 23,500 or something ridiculous like that. Told my customer he would not "release" the boat until it was paid in full for the "actual weight"...

My customer is a no BS lawyer, trucker did not know that. My customer got on the horn to Andy V. (sp?) the owner of Robin Hood Marine and the founder and owner of Cape Dory Yachts. He confirmed the boat should weigh about 17,500 - 18,200 with gear, sails chain etc. for shipping. The truck was in South Carolina at the time and my customer made a few phone calls and pulled some strings.

Long and short is the trucker was apparently pulled over in four or more states, weighed in four states, and sent on his way. When he got to Maine, still trying to pull one over on my customer, my customer refused to let him off load until he went to a certified scale here in Maine.

The boat was within 200 pounds of what my customer had told him, in favor of my customer.. The guy tried to argue that the boat weighed nearly 24k based on the travel lift.. My customer looked at him and smiled and asked "What states pulled you over in on the way here and which ones weighed you?" with a wink... Trucker got quiet...

Be careful with boat haulers as they may try to use the travel lift trick on you, it is not the first or last time that type of shady boat hauling has happened..

There is no way my old 1986 Catalina 36 weighed anywhere even close to my customers CD-36... I've drilled though both hulls, worked extensively on both of them and sailed extensively on both too... The CD is a TANK but still weighs about 18k for shipping......

[QUOTE=bstreet;19960]Quickline seems to only sell stainless anchors, I'm thinking they're mostly used as bow jewellery on big stinkboats. Most sailors buy galvanized anchors. We have a 45 lb Manson Supreme and a 45 lb Delta, though the Delta has been retired to the aft locker for a couple of years now, the Manson is way superior. Anchor is only part of the equation though, you need lots of chain and a stout windlass, unless you have the build of Hulk Hogan.[/QUOTE]

The Ultra can not be fabricated in galvy. The shank is hollow, buoyant, and is an integral part of the design. They are a tremendous anchor, I'd love one myself but they are pricey.. I have a customer with a beautiful Nordhaven trawler that has one and we got to play around with it backing down with a 400+ hp diesel at WOT and could not budge it in very, very soft mud. I was damn impressed.

He's bee all over with that anchor from the Med to South America, Alaska and Labrador & Newfoundland. He went from a Spade to the Ultra and claims it outperforms the Spade, which is not an easy task as the Spade is also an excellent anchor..

I suspect it is a notch or two better at burying deeply, without the hoop, than the Manson Supreme, Rocna or Mantus but those three already perform so well that I have no desire to fork over for an Ultra..

-Maine Sail
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Some reading for you:

Anchoring 101 [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,2705.0.html[/url]

Anchor Selection 101 includes good discussions of various system selections and pictures of new generation anchors on bowsprits both short and extended [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4457.0.html[/url]

Anchor System Sizing Tables (Reply #6) [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4990.0.htmlhttp://c34.org/bbs/index.p...

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Blair et al:

Larry Brandt started a neat compilation of anchor choices and photos of how they ride on the bow. Look here: [url]http://www.c36ia.com/taxonomy/term/9[/url]

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Blair,

Best bet is to get some local knowledge on what works best in your area. What works for me in Florida may not be the best choice in your area.

2000 C36 MKII 1825

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