Vibration at idle

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Wally-1840
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Vibration at idle

My M35B has a pretty bad vibration, (both in and out of gear), at anything below 1000rpm. Smooths right out above that. I understand this is the max recommended idle rpm. Anybody else have this?

Wally
"Onanne"
2000 MKII, deep keel, tall rig
​Lake Champlain
 

mikeannikki
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I had that!  Motor mounts were shot... you could literally stick your thumb under forward P mount when you throttled up!  Also PO had a 3 blade feathering prop that had some bad bearings.  Replaced motor mounts, prop shaft, cutlass, and new fixed 3 blade prop and she is now smooth as a you know what!  You may or may not have all that going on but we figured either the prop bearings went bad and worked its way on the rest or the motor mounts went and worked the other way.  Not sure if the prop shaft was actually bent but it was pitted anyhow so figured good time to make it all new and will last as long as we have her!  Good luck! 

Mike and Nikki Willis
1996 C 36 #1570  "Slip Away"  
MK II - Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Fremont, Ohio

Wally-1840
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Thanks! Lots to look at. Just to be sure I’ve got it, you experienced the roughness at low rpms? 

I’ll look at the mounts first. I’ve never paid much attention to the. Can you elaborate as to what I’m looking for? Can you see the problem at the dock without going out and just reving the engine in neutral?

Wally

Wally
"Onanne"
2000 MKII, deep keel, tall rig
​Lake Champlain
 

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At idle it was very obvious yes but could tell also as I idled up it was not as smooth as should be.  Remove your engine enclosure from Galley and start engine at dock.  Have someone throttle engine up while you are watching and you should see movement caused by the torque from engine.  Like I said you could literally stick your finger under (didn't do that fyi) the mount when idled up.  You should also be able to man handle the engine to get a feel for how secure they (mounts) are.  The engine should have slight give from the rubber in the mounts but not move more than say 1/8" or so.  A qualified Marine Mechanic would probably be recomended if any of that looks suspect.  Kinda like reefing... prob should reef the first time you wonder if you should reef.  You prob should call a MM if any of those tests raise a Q!

Mike and Nikki Willis
1996 C 36 #1570  "Slip Away"  
MK II - Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Fremont, Ohio

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Got it! Thanks!
mounts are something that I don’t think about although I should as I had to replace a set in our old Hunter.   I’m way beyond young enough to squeeze in to replace them myself and do an alignment after. 
BTW, where did you source the mounts?
wally

Wally
"Onanne"
2000 MKII, deep keel, tall rig
​Lake Champlain
 

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Wally -
A number of us have used the Vetus K75 mounts as a replacement.  They are reputed to be better at damping the vibration.
I believe I got them from Jamestown Distributors, but if you google you'll find a number of sources.  Rated for diesels up to 80 HP, and the footprint is the same as the OEM mounts on our boats.
Its not as hard a job as you might think.  I summarized the process at comment #7 in this thread:
https://www.catalina36.org/forum/technical-discussion/engine-mounts-2

 

Matthew Chachère
s/v ¡Que Chévere!
(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

Wally-1840
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Are the Vetus mounts softer or harder than the original? The mechanic at my marina is concerned that a softer mount may introduce vibration at a different rpm.
thanks!
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Wally
"Onanne"
2000 MKII, deep keel, tall rig
​Lake Champlain
 

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I've just replaced the mounts with the Vetus K50.  They are​​ very soft. Have not had the oppertunity to run the engine as I'm waiting for some parts but I can wobble the engine around with one hand. There must be at least 1/2 inch movement at the top of the engine side to side. To tell you the truth, I'm worried I wasted $350 and a lot of time...
I know the K75 are a little stiffer but not by much acording to Vetus. And the K75 need a minimum 85 pounds per mount to get the proper compression of the rubber.
Four days after posting this I ran the engine. There was no need for me to worry. The engine runs very smooth, no vibration in the boat at all. The engine runs smooth as butter except at low idle say 750 rpm. Very happy with the mounts.

Henk Hiensch
Mar Y Sol
1984 Catalina 36
Hull# 379 Universal M25
Ladysmith, BC

kenstrom
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I bought my 2004 Catalina 36 MKII with the M35B Universal engine when it was only 2 years old and it seems I have always had excessive engine vibration and noise.  The noise level actually seems to be worse than the vibration and I've often wondered if my noise problem is actually other parts of the boat vibrating and making the noise from the engine vibrations and not the engine itself.  It seems like the most noise is coming from under the refrigerator and I am suspicious of the water muffler making the noise.  I have never examined the water muffler.  There is no question the noise (and the engine vibration) is worse at low idle, but I need to be above 1,000 or 1,100 RPM to reduce the noise and vibration and it still seems excessive at higher RPMs.

I'm sure many owner have heard cockpit storage covers vibrating at certain engine frequencies that are loud but go away at different engine frequencies or if you weight down the covers.  It sounds like there may be equipment under the galley refrigerator that may be doing the same thing.  Any ideas / info / or experience with something like this?

I am going to check my engine mounts.  I have checked my alignment to prop shaft and it checks out, and my noise problem does not seem to be tied to being in gear.  I may also try to examine water muffler, as I have never accessed that portion of my boat.

Thanks for any info or advice.

 

Ken Enstrom
2004 C-36 MKII #2199
Tall Rig, Wing Keel, M-35B
S/V Valkyrie - Sail Great Lakes

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Update - There are four screws securing the Aqualift water muffler base to the boat.  One of those screws was not snug.  I cannot believe the difference that this made.  The main source of noise at engine RPM around 1,000 was not my engine -- it was a vibrating water muffler making lots of noise.  If you have loud noise bothering you CHECK THE FOUR SCREWS SECURING THE AQUALIFT WATER MUFFLER to see if that solves your noise prooblem!

Ken Enstrom
2004 C-36 MKII #2199
Tall Rig, Wing Keel, M-35B
S/V Valkyrie - Sail Great Lakes

John Hodgson
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Thanks Ken.  I will be checking this when I am next at my boat.  I will be changing my motor mounts this summer but looking for all the information and tips/tricks I can for reducing engine noise.

S/V SUNDOG
Homeport: ​Kingston, ON
2003 Catalina 36 MKII #2134
Wing Keel

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Thanks for posting your findings. It helps all the rest of us.

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