I have a 1991 Catalina Mark 1.5 (walkthrough transom) with a Universal M-35 Engine. The oil breather is connected to the air intake through the Filter. I've attached a photo. There is some oil that collects on the breather and drips onto one of the rear motor mounts. My concerns is the oil could corrode the rubber on the motor mount, or loosen the bolt on the mount. I would like to install some sort of collection system for the oil before it enters the intake. Has anyone made such a modification or seen this setup ?
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I did a closed crankcase vent system.I bought a Racor system .You go from the breather to the racor and then to the air filter. The racor has a filter inside that takes all oil out and sends just fumes to the air filter.I will be on the boat tomorrow and will get the model of racor which is a match for our engines since I talked to the people at racor.My wife loves this system as there are are no smells from the engine now
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
I would love to hear what Racor system you put in, Bill. Mine makes a huge mess. The air filter and everything adjacent is constantly soaked in oil and it drips all over the engine and into the sump, coincidentally along with all of the overflow coolant that the engine dumps there because there is no coolant recovery tank (working on rectifying that part now). Some of the decisions made really make you scratch your head.
Don Lincoln
"Nancy Lynn"
1993 Catalina MK1.5, Hull 1238
LaSalle, MI (Lake Erie)
Universal M-35AC
As far as the coolant issue, I just put the coolant hose into a 1 gallon juice container, and place it on the port side of the engine. the big box cover holds the container in place.
Thanks for the response, Also please let me know where it was mounted, as room is tight.
Dave
Dave
The unit I used is Racor CCV1500-04.I mounted the unit on the shelf in the aft state room.ran the hose from engine to racor then back to the air filter. there is a hose that comes off the ccv which will cary any oil to a quart oil container under the front of the engine The oil does not come out until the engine is shut downand after 2 years there is very little oil in there.Racor shows to route this hose back to the oil pan.Make sure you leave enough room above the ccv to get the filter out they advise to change at 500 hours.I paid about 265$for the unit it has cut down on oil mess and smells
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Dave
Please post some photos of your set up if possible.
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Punta Gorda Florida
1990 Std WK M35 Hull #1050
I should be able to this weekend
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Bill,
I too am looking forward to seeing photos of that installation and especially the positioning of that filter.
Thnaks,
Bill Dolan
Hull # 1041
Bill Dolan 1990 Catalina C-36 MKI - Hull #1041 'Williwaw'
Std. Rig, Walk Through, Wing Keel
M35, Oberdorfer Conversion,
Home Waters; Charlotte Harbor & The Gulf Islands of Florida
'You are never out of work if you own a boat'
Hm. Well Dave, I'm no diesel expert (just bought our '91 3 years ago and only had a Saildrive and outboard previously), but I have the same engine as you do. I suspect that the source of that oil in your air filter is NOT from the breather tube attached to the header, but from splash-back from inside the intake manifold. I say this because on my M-35a the breather tube is not connected back to the air filter, it points straight down into the space below the engine. I have never had any oil come out of that tube, rather it appears to be an air intake (which explains why the previous owner of your vessel attached it to the intake spout). Also my foam air filter in the air intake drum is always oil-soaked, not because it is sucking oily air from the compartment (clean, dry air being sucked in back there), but rather because there is some spray making its way out of the engine (I am assuming unless someone can explain the source in some other way?).
Bill, do you find that your Racor filter is regularly oil-soaked or relatively dry? And what about your foam air filter?
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
I have not taken the filter out of the racor but will put in a new one this winter.My breather tube when straight down before and I would get oil into the alternator it was very little but any is too much.Most newer engines use a ccv system and it did cut down on smells
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
It would be abnormal to have reverse air flow (positive pressure) in your intake manifold enough to cause oil to pool into your air cleaner. Valve timing would be suspect here as positive pressure is most likely to happen if an intake valve opens during an exhaust stroke.
Normal to have oil in the crankcase ventilation hose and is the most common source of oil in air cleaner if found there. In a crankcase, there is net positive pressure due to leakage of exhaust past the rings mixing a bit with connecting rod bearing oil throw. In a car, this mixture is returned directly to the intake manifold (via PCV valve), but in a diesel this is not desirable. Most often, this is directed back to the vicinity of the air cleaner in order to provide an "air gap" (to prevent engine runaway).
The oil that does make it out this hose has exhaust byproducts that are a bit more corrosive than just straight lubrication oil, so the best practice is to not allow this to pool on any surface not designed to resist those byproducts.
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
Thanks for that explanation, Nick! I have added a plastic bottle under that vent hose to see how much discharge I'm getting and to ensure it isn't going into the alternator or the air cleaner. I'm now worried about valve timing as I'm quite sure that any discharge from that hose under the front of the engine sump pan is not the source of oil in the air cleaner (too far for it to travel backwards and up, but one never knows what might be happening under the cover box while underway for 8 hours straight!), but I'm going to change out the foam filter and monitor things more carefully now that I understand the issues.
I had a disaster with the oil filter leaking and the alternator got wet with oil and then cleaning agents and water spray. I noticed that the voltage on the cockpit gauge when I turned the engine over to ensure it would start was not at 14 volts as usual, but only at 12 volts, so I shut it down immediately and left a fan on it to dry it out. Has the oil/water done damage to the alternator and should I expect to have to change it out, or is running it after drying it out going to solve any issues with the alternator? It is the original, I believe, so I am thinking I should consider changing it for a newer model with a regulator.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
You asked about my foam air filter I changed my filter out for a K&N filter.Is easy to clean and does a better job
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
On my first diesel boat, I had the engine breather hose dangling in the engine compartment and thought nothing of it. I noticed a bit of smell in the cabin, but just wrote it off to "new engine smell". One night I was on the boat with with engine running and I just had a flashlight for light inside the cabin. I was amazed at how much smoke was in the cabin that could not be seen otherwise. Upon investigation, I traced this down to the crankcase vent hose. Even if your hose does not drip, what is coming out of that hose is exhaust blow-by and oil mist. Your air intake is sucking some of this in and a filter in the way will usually wring out the oil mist. It may only be a drop or two every year, but it's there. If you don't route this vent line properly (either outside the boat or air-gapped to the intake), then crankcase stuff is going places you don't want it to go.
Insofar as your alternator, hard to tell what has happened. Not withstanding the corrosive nature of salt water, water is somewhat tolerable because it will evaporate when heated. Engine oil might have soaked the brushes and if I was a betting man.....Might be just time to bite the bullet and install a new alternator. I mean, 25 years is a long time for an alternator (if original) and perhaps just time to say "thanks".
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
I ran the hose back to Racor ccv on the shelf in the aft state room then to the K&N air filter. the other hose out of the racor goes to a blue qt container at the front of the engine
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1