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I am in the process of replacing my rudder and I decided to replace the the radial drive wheel. I just received the radial drive and when I compared to the one that was originally on the boat the two were different sizes! The one off the boat was a 6.5 inch and the one I received was 8.00 inches. In looking at the chart supplied in the edson catalog it looks like the wheel should have been an 8 inch wheel all along. Two questions first what Should the size be and two how will that effect the current set up for the lead in wire? I could really need some insight on this. I plan to contact edson but some background would be helpful. By the way 6.5 wheels look like they are designed for a boat no greater than 30 feet
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One more question, what affect does a 8 inch radial drive wheel versus a 6.5 inch radial drive wheel have?

Mike Hogan
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Speaking from memory since I recently worked on this area - I am sure that Mine was not 6.5" but rather 8". That sound better. PO may have installed incorrect size.

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
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I am thinking the same thing. Mine is 8" too (I own a 2001 MKII). I would think that Catalina would have installed a standard 8", but then again, there have been many inconsistencies over the years...

BTW, if you have a below-the-deck autopilot make certain that there aren't any stray items rattling around down there to disturb the articulating arm. I just had an electronic tech discover that the block of wood that was installed on the underneath side of the sole of the cockpit was detached. That was the reason that it was giving a false read on the rudder location. To prevent that problem again I am planning on installing some kind of basket around that area because I, probably like a lot of people, have loads of odd-shaped items in the hold area of the lazerettes.

Glenn Druhot
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New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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The configuration sad to say is all Catalina's, in the far distant past when MY boat was built Catalina decided to use conduits instead of sheaves to lead the rope wire to the rudder wheel, I guess that had nothing to do with the decision to use a 6.5 wheel but rather that is what they had on hand, having built all those cat 30s and all. So far I've had to cut out additional area around the bulkhead remove the fitting that the conduit fits into and order more stuff from edson, which by the doesn't make a 6.5 wheel any more at least according to them. Oh yea I've also got to remove the bracket that lead the rope wire to the wheel. I keep telling myself that this FUN.

Mike Hogan
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Well I got the new sheves and plat from edson Jesus h Christ they seem to be alot bigger and heftier than what preceded them. Sure hope they fit, btw anyone know how to drill 1/4 inch SS, other carefully and slowly? I have to drill the holes in the new rudder to match the emergency rudder head and the quadrant wheel, not the right term bu I hope it coveys the correct idea.

Mike Hogan
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Mike, I've read all sorts of "How to drill ss" articles. For this one, though, I suggest you consider having a shop with a drill press do it for you. A few years ago the tongue on my father-in-law's boat trailer broke. We bought new material, but would still be there if it wasn't for his fine machine shop and drill press. Good luck.

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Hi,
My new rudder is being shipped there appears to be a big difference in the shape of the rudder in the bottom 1/3 compared to what i had on the boat before. anyone know if this appears to be what is currently on the newer models of the boat? if so does the foil appear to work better than the older version of the mark I rudder (it is much more tapered at the end than this appears to be). any in put would be usefull.

Mike Hogan
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hi all,
attached is three photo's of the rudder that was shipped from foss foam. can any one suggest what the difference is size between my new rudder and the old rudder will translate to? could really use some input here although i guess what ever it means i kinda stuck with it.. BTW the second pic is my old rudder laid on top of the new to show the difference in size.

Mike Hogan
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Mike perhaps this will explain the difference. My best guess is Foss is making the most recent design which in most cases be OK for use. It appears the rudder post should all be same size according to this pdf. lools like length of exposed post may vary.
This is located in the encyclopedia and under new owner help.

Gary Bain
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Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
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Gary,
that helps a lot, i believe that Foss used the shoal draft design but extended it by about 5 inches, all i really know is that the rudder (new) has a much more elliptical shape and is much wider(?) than what i had on the boat previously. I am most interested to see what difference the design change will make in boat handling..

Mike Hogan
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Mike on drilling I had posted this in another post and primarily while drilling you need to use a good drill and pay attention to speed.

[QUOTE=Gary Bain;15910]Michagan Drill is basically the last drill manufacturer here in the US. You can find their website at [url]www.michigandrill.com[/url] they manufacture in Michigan and Florida. They sell drill kits and singular drills. For the most part a Jobbers drill HSS (High speed steel) with 118 degree point general purpose will suffice with care. A drill set with the index 1/16" - 1/2" in 1/32 increments is about $86 list.
Surface footage for SS (Primarily 303, 304, and 316 grades) is approximately 50SFM which equates to feet/minute the following is a guide for you;
1/8" drill= 1528 RPM
1/4" drill= 764 RPM
3/8" drill= 503 RPM
1/2" drill= 382 RPM
So keep in mind as you drill a hole your speed (RPM) needs to go slower as the drill diameter increases. You can increase this speed slightly by going to a colbolt based drill or with some of the newer titanium nitride coated drills. The issue you will have for the most part is the speed of the drill you more than likely will be using, most are fixed.[/QUOTE]

Gary Bain
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Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
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Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
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Gary
Thanks for the info I do have a drill press with a pulley system but for this i am going with the shop up at lake texoma that used to build valiant yacht I'm to chicken to try this myself!

Mike Hogan
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Gary is providing a lot of good info there. A lot of people are afraid is drilling stainless. It is more of a tuffer metal then hard. With stainless you need a lot of lube as well. In my working as a machine repair / machinists I used the rule of a 1 inch drill was 100 rpm. 1/2 inch was 500 rpm ect. That got me by on most metals with out going to my machinists handbook. Good luck.

Randy Sherwood
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so i took my new rudder up to Cedar Mills Marina (ex home of valiant yachts). and the machinist that use to to fabricate all of the SS radar arches for 20 years used the attached drill press to drill 3 holes in the rudder stock. looked to be dead on to the old rudder. very cool to watch/help with the process!!

Mike Hogan
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That my friend is not a drill press but a milling machine. Appears to be a knockoff of a very popular machine referred to as a Bridgeport. I have one in my garage and I have to admit I use it more as a drill press these days. In my early years I made a lot of Die and Mold parts on a Bridgeport when I was an apprentice Tool and Die maker.

Bit of trivia this machine can actually reproduce many of it's parts.

I'm sure it was much easier doing it this way and more than likely the hole alligns with itself from side to side.

Gary Bain
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Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
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Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine

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Hi all,
attached is the bottom part of the old rudder standing in front of the new rudder, very different. not a clue as to how things will work. putting it on tmw.

Mike Hogan
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Mark I XP25, std rig

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