Windlass problem, trips out easy

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Windlass problem, trips out easy

The windlass on my 2004 boat trips out at the circuit breaker with the slightest load. I could understand tripping if I'm pulling the boat into a 25 knot wind or trying to pull the anchor out of some rocks, but it trips out under conditions where I can pull up the anchor myself with little effort.

Anybody else seen this? Any common solutions? My best guess and highest hope is that some corrosion in the circuit breaker has made it trip at far below its rated capacity. I plan on using a DC ampmeter to check this. If that's the situation then I'll just replace the breaker. If that's not it, then I'm stuck and don't really know what to do.

What sort of load should I expect to pull with the windlass?

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Greg Jackson
SV Jacqui Marie
2004 C36, MKII
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Have you checked ALL of the connectors, including the solenoid?

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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I was finishing some varnishing projects today. I had some drying time so I decided to check out my windlass. I found the motor would barely run if at all and the #1 gauge wire between the solenoid and motor was getting pretty warm. I noted the lugs on both ends looked old and in poor shape. Seeing the wire was a little too long I cut both ends off exposing fresh wire and secured new lugs finishing with a good heat shrink tubing to keep future moisture out. I reinstalled the wire and tested the windlass. The motor is now running like new. I should have done this a long time ago.

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1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #251 M25
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Chris

There are so many things that effect cathodic protection on a sail boat. I'll list a few.
1. Water velocity. Fast moving current requires much more weight/surface area than still water.
2. Boat usage. A boat that is used a lot requires more cathodic protection that a boat that is used little.
3. Conductivity of water. As the conductivity increases, the possibility of corrosion increases. Salt water is more conductive that fresh water.

Theses above are just a few of the factors that determine corrosion potential.

What can help also protect your boat is a fail safe galvanic isolator. Catalina has been putting them on boats for a while. I have one on my 2003. It isn't fail safe but it's better that not having one. If you do install a galvanic isolator, it needs checked annually.

A complete corrosion survey is the ultimate way to go but that isn't cheap.

I am somewhat supicous of this inviromently friendly thing. You need Mil Spec metal to get you the best protection for your boat and Mil Spec is pretty pure metal. Maybe they mean the anodes were manufactured in an enviromently friendly way?

David

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Dave,

Thanks for the info. I don't know if your suggestions apply to my windlass?

I was tied up at dock when I tested the motor. I even had the chain removed just to see if the motor was still ticking, which is wasn't... I often check my windlass while at my dock. I even drop the anchor and pull it back up just in case. Nothing worse than hitting that button while at anchor and finding you now have to pull all that chain by hand.

Seeing the windlass wire was not in the water I don't think electrolysis (AKA hot marina) was my problem. The corroded wire was more likely a result of the PO wrapping the wire/lug connection with electrical tape and the constant exposure to salt water over several years. I would guess the windlass was installed sometime after the boat was built in 1984? It was doomed to fail from the start however it did last quite a few years, like about about 28 years. Knowing the wire was most likely corroded is why I cut the wire several inches from the old ends and started afresh with new crimped lugs and a good heavy duty shrink tubing to make the seal water tight. Fresh cut wire did the job...

As for the galvanic isolator... I installed one several years ago after I bought my boat. Because my marina is so hot I check my zincs regularly and replace them before they disappear... Even with the isolator I still have zinc problems although the problems have slowed way down.

Chris

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1984 Catalina 36 Tall
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I thought I placed that response in another thread. Not sure how it got here. Stranger than fiction.

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Sounds like you may have some stray current nearby.

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My windlass has never tripped a breaker, but for whatever reason whenever I am retreiving my anchor it feels like it is slipping. Does anyone know what is causing that?

Glenn Druhot
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2001 C36, Hull #1965
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Our Maxwell windlass has a clutch which will slip if not adjusted correctly. Not sure if other makes are the same.

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[QUOTE=stu jackson c34;13910]Have you checked ALL of the connectors, including the solenoid?[/QUOTE]

I tried to get to the connections, but I could not find access from the deck on the MKII. With no luck on deck, I tried to remove the upper panel above the V-berth but after removing all the teak trim and all the screws the panel would not budge. Looking around I found the pointy end of a #10 screw. It had been screwed in from the other side. It seems that this was likely installed before the deck was attached to the hull and there is no way to remove that panel with out breaking something. Is that true?

Greg Jackson
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All the screws on that panel on our boat are accessible from in the V-berth and the panel comes out fairly easily once they are removed. Tou might be able to grind off that backwards screw with a dremel grinder without making too big a mess. Is it possible the screw is inserted from inside but has had the head snapped off? Easy to do that with SS screws.

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[QUOTE=bstreet;14069]All the screws on that panel on our boat are accessible from in the V-berth and the panel comes out fairly easily once they are removed. Tou might be able to grind off that backwards screw with a dremel grinder without making too big a mess. Is it possible the screw is inserted from inside but has had the head snapped off? Easy to do that with SS screws.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the confirmation. I thought the panel should open into the forward cabin but I didn't want to force the issue if that was not how it was intended to be opened. Probably someone just threw in an extra screw before the hull/deck assembly. The screw that is holding it in place is clearly not a broken stub. The point of a large screw, probably a #10, is coming through the plywood. I think a plug cutter will probably do the trick.

Greg Jackson
SV Jacqui Marie
2004 C36, MKII
tall rig, wing keel,

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I finally got the panel off and checked out the inside. No corrosion and everything looked good. I removed the motor and found the gearbox turned freely. I ran the motor dismounted and it ran variable speeds, sounding under serious load at times. I also got very hot running dismounted and under no load. I called Maxwell and they said the motor needed to be replaced. The guy told me that it should not get hot running for a couple minutes under no load.

A call to Defender and $389 later I had a replacement motor. Runs just fine now and picks up a load w/o tripping. It must have been a fault in the windings.

Greg

Greg Jackson
SV Jacqui Marie
2004 C36, MKII
tall rig, wing keel,

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