Main Rolling Furler Problem

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Main Rolling Furler Problem

New problem this year... as I try to unfurl the main, it pulls some of the still furled main into the slot (usually about 5' up the mast) and jams.

I thought maybe the main was too loose so I tightened down on the main halyard but that didn't help, nor did loosing the main sheet, or getting the boom out to the port side. I also tried furling the main as tightly as possible... still no joy.

My last resort thought is that the bearings are binding slightly and the whole unit is not winding freely, thus the middle of the sail is being pulled out resulting in a bow effect for the spindle around which the main furls. I'm thinking some grease might help since the original docs suggest grease as a regular maintenance function but....

the material that comes with the boat says to "Use a grease gun on the ball race of the halyard swivels and on the ball race of the top & bottom of the furling mechanism" (I am assuming the "ball race" is the track in which the bearings lie??) . They do not say what type of grease to use, nor do I see any kind of nipple for a grease gun.. are you supposed to jam grease down into where you see the bearings?

Also, I can only see a "ball race" on the top of the furling mechanism... how do you get to the bottom "race"? The original documentation shows a very simple sketch with the furling mechanism tilted out from the bottom, but on the boat the bottom of the unit seems to be inside the mast with no access.

Any greasing procedure advice, or other suggestions to this problem, would be appreciated.

Chuck Parker
HelenRita 2072 Mk II
2002 Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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I found the main will furl and unfurl easier if the main sheet and boom vang are eased completely and the boom is moved well to port. The opening on the mast is angled to port. Couple that with the clockwise furl and the main will furl and unfurl with little difficulty.

Also, easing the main halyard slightly keeps the bearings from binding making it easier to furl and unfurl.

Marc Nachman
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Chuck, I agree with everything that has been stated so far. I would also like to add another possible factor to the equation. My dockmate has a Catalina 32 and after he purchased the boat he had a dickens of a time setting the main and then rolling it up. He tried all kinds of things and he finally discovered that his topping lift was not tensioned (up) enough. That caused the boom to sag and then resulted in the incorrect angle that put too much tension on the mainsheet. As soon as he tentioned it in it worked like a champ. It's just an idea with checking out. Good luck

Glenn Druhot
Carpe Diem
New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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Thanks but I've tried all that ... it seems like the spindle is bowing out. Someone else suggested the main itself might have stretched out of shape but the problem seems to have come up very quickly.

Chuck Parker
HelenRita 2072 Mk II
2002 Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Thanks Glenn... but if anything, my boom seems to be slightly angled up. I tried easing the vang but then it went way up so I brought it back down. I do have to check to see if its perpendicular to the mast, but the confusing factor is that this never happened before and I have not taken the boom off or the mast down.

Since no one has responded, am I correct to assume no one greases their bearings? I'm about to try to call Z-Spar/Charlston Spar/US Spars Inc. to see if I can get some direction.

Chuck Parker
HelenRita 2072 Mk II
2002 Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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To lubricate the bearings on all of my sail hardware I use McLube One Drop.

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Marc Nachman
Whispering Eye
Catalina 36 MkII #2201
SRFM/WK M35B

s/v Whispering Eye

2004 Catalina 36 Mk II  #2201

SRFM/WK/M35b

St. Petersburg, FL
 

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Chuck,
I had that same problem, and it turned out to be the way I had last furled the main. It was not tight enough. There was too much slack in the sail, and the slack was being pulled out of the slot. I had to work the main in and out a little at a time, keeping lots of tension on the inhaul and outhaul. Keeping tension on the outhaul while furling, I haven't had a problem since. Hope this helps.

Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT

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This is probably a different issue since the symptoms were slightly different, but it's worth considering anyway:

When we first got our present boat, I found furling and unfurling the main was very difficult, especially when it was over 50% furled. The problem was that the outhaul line was old and had swelled from salt water. As it coiled around the drum it rubbed against the case that is around the back of the drum and the friction made it really hard to turn.

That may well not be your problem, but it's something to be aware of with furling main sails.

SF Bay
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I've tried all the "adjustment " type solutions (tight furling, moving the boom out, etc) with no luck. I'll take a look at the furling line in the next few days.

FYI, the info in the material provided when the boat was new says to grease the bearings using a grease gun and NOT to use a spray lubricant. Their on-line manual now says to use detergent on the gear and then WD 40, which I tried last night but didn't have time to try unfurling the sucker. I called Z-Spar and all you get is voice mail. I sent them an email and have yet to get a response.

Chuck Parker
HelenRita 2072 Mk II
2002 Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Since I started this thread, I wanted to wrap it up and let anyone else who might have a similar problem know what I found out. The following info comes from Rick at the US Spars rigging shop and he was very helpful.

First, thanks to those who suggested different adjustments to the rigging as all the pieces add to the problem, however, my problem was the outhaul boom car. These furling rigs have bearings in two places…the furling unit itself & the boom car. My car bearings seem to have worn out so, if anyone else is having similar problem, see if the car starts to move aft when you begin to pull on the outhaul….. if it doesn’t, even if the car slides easily with hand pressure and no tension, its time to start thinking about replacing the bearings or the car.

Now the interesting part that took about three calls to US Spars, two calls to Catalina and a call to Garhauer to figure out. The docs that came with the boat refer to US Spars and Z-Spars. Rick suggested the car problem and sent me a replacement ($235 + shipping) but it turns out that (at least some of us) have boom tracks and cars that are made by Garhaur….US Spars cars wont fit and they don’t use “T” Track. If your track is 1 ¼” T track, it’s a Garhaur rig ($65 + shipping).

In the course of discussing this problem with Rick, here are additional points of interest that came out:

1. Mast bend – None… you want the mast as straight as possible.

2. Main tension – too much tension is as bad as too little. The manual (which can be downloaded at [url]www.usspars.com[/url]) calls for “moderate” tension. Rick said, with the main out, if you see a wavy look when looking up the sail its too much tension; too little and you’ll see lines perpendicular to the mast in the sail.

3. Main furling – you want equal tension on the foot and leach.

4. Main furling unit – the manual calls for flushing with water and detergent, then lubricating with WD 40 (this contradicts the original material provided with the mast (2002) which said NOT to use a spray lubricant). I questioned others in our harbor with the same Z Spar and have yet to find anyone who has done anything about lubricating this piece.

5. Main furling unit bearings – according to Rick, the bearings in the unit should last 8-10 years. If you have bearings older than that, they recommend sending the unit in for “servicing”, though how you’d get it out is beyond me. A good way to check your bearings is to try to turn the furling unit by hand when the sail is down.. if it spins freely, the bearings are OK…if not, its time for a servicing.

Hope this proves helpful to someone

Chuck Parker
HelenRita 2072 Mk II
2002 Tall Rig - Winged Keel
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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