Does anyone know the correct length of line needed to replace a main halyard? I have a tall rig. The manual says 117 ft but I measured mine this weekend and came up with only 95 ft. I would not want an extra 20 ft to stow while sailing if I don't have to. If you have ever replaced yours how much did you buy?
Thanks
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"Lori Lee"
San Diego, CA
1983 C36
Hull # 0083
Maybe this is the explanation.
Do you cleat your main halyard on the mast? If so, 95 feet would likely be adequate.
However, on my boat the main halyard extends to a winch on the rear of the coach roof. This is the case on any C36 I have seen, and the 117 foot measurement seems correct for this configuration. 95 feet would be way too short.
See the Mark 1 manual pages 26, 27.
Cheers,
Graham
Graham Mackey
SV Nostromo
1989 C36 908
Tall Rig/Wing Keel
Toronto, Canada
[QUOTE=gmackey;12753]Maybe this is the explanation.
Do you cleat your main halyard on the mast? If so, 95 feet would likely be adequate.
However, on my boat the main halyard extends to a winch on the rear of the coach roof. This is the case on any C36 I have seen, and the 117 foot measurement seems correct for this configuration. 95 feet would be way too short.
See the Mark 1 manual pages 26, 27.
Cheers,
Graham[/QUOTE]
Graham,
You are correct. I have looked at those diagrams in the manuals 1000 times and never realized that my boat does not have the deck organizer or the stops at the cockpit for the halyards. Not sure why but all my halyards cleat off at the mast and I have a winch attached to the mast to assist in raising the sails. Must have been a request of the original owner when purchasing to not clutter up the top deck.
Thanks for opening my eyes
Rob
"Lori Lee"
San Diego, CA
1983 C36
Hull # 0083
Rob,
For what it's worth, I raise my main sail at the mast anyway; the organizer, fairlead, and turning block add a lot of friction to the system.
At the mast, I go hand-over-hand on the halyard using my body weight and have it raised in no time.
I suppose I could add ball-bearing components everywhere in the halyard path and reduce the friction significantly. I already have the Tides Marine Sailtrack which is a big improvement.
Graham
Graham Mackey
SV Nostromo
1989 C36 908
Tall Rig/Wing Keel
Toronto, Canada
Graham,
Glad to see I'm not the only one who does the dance between the mast & cockpit while raising the main. I installed a jam cleat on the mast to hold the halyard after raising while I go back to the cockpit and reel in the loose halyard and tighten up with the winch. A winch on the mast is on my wishlist.
Mike
Deja Vu
1991 MK I # 1106
Marina del Rey, CA
I think all the 1983 boats have the halyards at the mast. For the main it actually works better for a number of reasons in my opinion. I think the 1985 model year came with a bunch of small changes including moving the cabintop handrails, leading halyards aft, switching to self-tailing primary winches, and a few other tweaks. 95' worked for me as well.
Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada
OK great so the 95' will work what about diameter? The manual says 3/8" but I think my current line is a little bigger maybe 7/16" Does that slight difference make really mean anything? I noticed online when I look at the max loads the 7/16" makes a leap usually by about 1000 ponds from the 3/8". I guess that is good but is it necessary? What size did you guys purchase?
Thanks for your opinions.
Rob
"Lori Lee"
San Diego, CA
1983 C36
Hull # 0083
Stretch is the issue with halyards. I plan to replace my halyard shortly and I will look for the minimum stretch for the dollar. I won't go over 3/8" - I have an old issue of Practical Sailor which compared the cost and stretch for a large variety of lines, and the best deal was actually a slightly thinner higher tech rope compared to a standard sized low stretch line.
I'll search for the issue and report back.
BTW, the usual rationale for over-sizing lines like sheets and halyards is to make them more comfortable to handle. Strength is rarely an issue.
Cheers,
Graham
Graham Mackey
SV Nostromo
1989 C36 908
Tall Rig/Wing Keel
Toronto, Canada
I found the Practical Sailor issue that reviews halyard line options - it's really complicated, hi-tech lines have special concerns, special splices, UV resistance issues, etc.
Maybe ask Jason what he uses, he races.
Graham
Graham Mackey
SV Nostromo
1989 C36 908
Tall Rig/Wing Keel
Toronto, Canada
My halyard is 7/16 (actually it might be 3/8 but I don't think so) Sta-set but I have swapped out half of the core for Amsteel (Dyneema single braid) which is spliced to the core and then pulled through so that the loaded part of the halyard is low stretch. I put enough Dyneema in so that it still reaches the clutch when the first reef is in the main.
This would probably be overkill for most cruisers but I use a kevlar mainsail which is pointless if you hook it to a stretchy halyard!
Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Everyone
Thanks for all the insight. I am only casual crusing and all the high tech stuff is not for me. I will go for what I originally thought. 3/8" lowest stretch for my budget. I'm looking at Sampson.
"Lori Lee"
San Diego, CA
1983 C36
Hull # 0083