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need bimini help

I am the new owner of a 1995 MKII C-36. The current bimini is "full cockpit" size from the stern to the companion way...we do not have a dodger.

I want to replace the bimini as the fabric is shot...the frame is fine. Here's my situation. I am 6'1" tall and I don't seem to have enough headroom to fully stand under the bimini. When I raise the mainsail, center the traveller and tighten the mainsheet...it seems to be approximately 5'11" of clearance...does this seem normal? I am getting a full hoist on the mainsail and the boom is level / horizontal.

Optimally, I would like to have the full size bimini with 6'1" headroom as I did on my previous C-30. Any ideas or suggestions are well appreciated.

Stephen Kruse
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1995 C-36 MKII SR/WK
Lake Lanier, Ga.

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Stephen, our dodger only goes to the back of the boom so the bimini actually sits above the level of the boom. Therefore, full headroom. I am 6" and a bit and I can stand up full height under it. Attached picture shows how this all works.

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Bud,

Thanks for your response. I understand your configuration as it is similar to other C-34 and C-350's on my lake. I do not have a dodger and the current bimuni extends forward to the companion way...thus underneath the boom. I would like to keeo this configuration. Does anyone else have a similar sized bimini and if so, how much height clearance do you have?

Stephen Kruse
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1995 C-36 MKII SR/WK
Lake Lanier, Ga.

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Stephen, almost all of our biminis were custom done by the owners at some point. I suspect that virtually none is identical with another.

I regret to say I am not 6'1" tall, but when I need unrestricted visibility I like to stand on the seat (shelf?) at the helm and look completely over my dodger. Especially when I am maneuvering in a marina I want a clear view, and in a drizzle or rain I always open up the dodger's center panel. Because of this obsession with a crystal clear view I had my bimini fabricator set the bimini high enough so I could stand on the helm shelf. This is higher than the bottom of the boom, so there must be a transition between the bimini and the dodger (with a big window in it, but my need for a clear view still bugs me enough to typically remove the transition for close quarter maneuvering).

If you're going to re-do your canvas, you have an opportunity to get them to make it the way you want it. It's worth having it designed to your wishes. Sounds like some of the s/s hardware is there already, so maybe they only have to bend new tubing.

Larry Brandt
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2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
 

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Stephen,
Another thing you could do is to adjust the bimini so that it is taller at the aft end, where you typically stand, and lower near the forward end, where you don't typically stand. That way, the height at the forward end can be always lower than the boom. Aesthetically it might not be as pleasing, but functionally it might work for you. Just a thought.

Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT

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If tilted forward it would drain forward when it rained, he has no dodger. Steven, Bud & Larry pretty much nailed it. Another way to say it is you can't change the laws of physics: your boom and a bimini can't be in the same place at the same time.

One thing we have done is kept the "deliberately low" dodger we have on our boat, so we can see OVER it. Our PO was very short, so this may not work for you, but we're both 5'-10" only three inches shorter than you are. If you then add a bimini aft of the dodger and aft of the aft end of the boom, you can be covered and stand up and still see over the dodger, so you don't have to do the "dance" that Larry does to see through unobstructed.

Tom is correct: unless you have stock Catalina canvas (and I don't think they "did" biminis back then or even now, only dodgers from what I've seen) your best bet is to look around for canvas places based on your own likes and dislikes, needs & wants. You'll kinda have to "design-it-yourself" to find something that works for you.

Most all are "custom." And since you had something that worked for you on your C30, is there the possibility of doing something similar?

Welcome to the group. Congratulations on your new boat.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Thanks for the great input on various options and ideas.

The main purpose of my thread was to find out if the cockpit deck to boom height of 5'11" seemed "normal".

My boat was not sailed much and still has the original mainsail....I was thinking / wondering if the sail has stretched and if that could result in a slightly lower boom at the aft end...thus needing a lower bimini height to clear the boom?

Stephen Kruse
Kruse Control #1428
1995 C-36 MKII SR/WK
Lake Lanier, Ga.

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Stephan,

I, too, have a boom that will touch the bimini before I get the leach tight enough, due to having a very tired old mainsail. So far, I have lived with it.

Our full length bimini is permanent in our sailing grounds except for approaching hurricanes. It is hgih enough to clear my 5 ft 7 inch height with lots of room to spare, but I have never measured it.

When I replace the main, I will likely have to choose between a standard less-expensive sail, or a custom sail that will keep the boom a few inches higher.

Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
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Thanks Duane, that's what I was looking for. I have decided to go ahead and use the existing frame and try to get as close to 6'0"+ clearance as possible. We can also raise the aft bows a little more and have the forward bows sloped forward as suggested.

I am fortunate to have a very skilled and patient canvas person. If this doesn't work out as planned, he said we could add a dodger later and still use approx 2/3 of the "new bimini"..and raise it a few more inches...time will tell how this works out and will be glad to give an update at a later time.

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Stephen Kruse
Kruse Control #1428
1995 C-36 MKII SR/WK
Lake Lanier, Ga.

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It is ironic that this thread was just started. The first mate and I just installed a piece of glass in the very top of the dodger because I was having some difficulty in seeing forward from the aft end of the cockpit. I must agree with the others who have posted here, almost every Catalina 36 has a different set up with their bimini and dodger. Welcome to the organization Stephen.

Glenn Druhot
Carpe Diem
New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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