I would love to get rid of the "blow-by" smell of the engine breather hose.I have looked at Tom Soko's intake manifold connection and wondered if i could just run the hose into the air intake.Cut a round hole in the metal screen for the air filter or into a hole in the top of the filter?I am hesitant to drill and tap the manifold.Thoughts?Why doesnt anyone just extend the breather hose to run out the aft vent ?If there was no danger of sludging up the intake manifold,why didnt they do this at the factory?
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"Sailing Still" 1990 C36 M25 wing
Sail Canada/Transport Canada training
Gibsons Harbour BC
www.landsendbc.ca
I'm not familiar with Tom's setup. On my M35, the breather tube is routed along the side of the air cleaner intake so that it ends right alongside the air intake. Any gases coming from the crankcase are sucked into the air cleaner. I've never noticed any odor from the blowby gases, so I'd say that's pretty effective.
Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay
Greig,
Not sure where your breather hose terminates but, it should be laying up agianst the airfilter as Plaineolde suggests. It yours is not you will be blessed with crankcase fumes in the cablin.
I too considered tapping a hole in the intake to accect the breather hose, should have done it when I completed my overhual. You could remove the oil filter canister and drill and install a fitting there, this would prevent any drilling debris from getting into the intake. If you do that make sure any hardware used is saftied, or bonded in place as you do not want any loose hardware going down the intake, thought this too would eliminate crankcase fumes as the engine will be trashed.
Cepheus dream
C36 MK I # 825
MK I Tech Editor No Mas
Steve,my 25xp motor has the breather hose going down past the starter and dripping oil mist on the port engine bed stringer..I think i will remove the air filter canister and try to find a brass plumbing fitting to attach the breather hose..
"Sailing Still" 1990 C36 M25 wing
Sail Canada/Transport Canada training
Gibsons Harbour BC
www.landsendbc.ca
After reading what Tom did to his. I did the same and the smell went away. I never removed the intake and did it in place. What I did was to take a cloth shop rag and stuffed it back into the intake cavity so it was past the hole that was to be drilled into the breather. Then make sure the hole and tap are the proper size. I then marked where I wanted it and did a pilot drill hole while I had a vacuum close to the intake hole. But not close enough to suck the rag out, But the rag was packed in tight. So the vac as creating enough vacuum that the chips were sucked in. Then once drilled and taped. I remover the rag with needle nose pliers. I have done this many of times in my past industrial career and never and issue. But it is up to the individual. Just passing on a tip here.
Good luck
Randy
Randy Sherwood
Mutualfun 1990 # 1057
T/R W/K M35a
Home. Charlotte, Mi.
Boat. St Augustine,Fl.
It is extremely easy to tap into the top of the airfilter. Screw a threaded 90° fitting into the hole. I added jamb nuts on both sides, using locktite on the inside, probably overkill because the wire mesh should catch the nut if it falls off. Slide the breather tube over the other end of the fitting.
Ken and Vicki Juul
SV Luna Loca
C34 #1090
Chesapeake Bay
Yes Ken,thanks..yesterday i drilled a hole in the top of the air filter,fit a 1/2in90degree elbowand attached the breather hose ...I motored an hour today and the smell is gone...why didnt i do this a long time ago?
"Sailing Still" 1990 C36 M25 wing
Sail Canada/Transport Canada training
Gibsons Harbour BC
www.landsendbc.ca
There is an article in the tech notes of the current Mainsheet about this issue (actually for C34's but excellent article nevertheless ;~) The author points out that by running the breather hose directly into (or near) the air intake, there is a risk of a runaway engine as diesels can run on the oil fumes in the air intake (even when the fuel is shut off). This is a very dangerous condition obviously and the author concludes that the risk of a runaway engine outweighs the smell from the breather hose.
There is a solution, however. The previous owner of my boat was a Boeing engineer who devised a very clever solution. The hose from the manifold runs into a device that consists of two PVC pipes...the outside pipe is 4" in diameter and the inside pipe is 1 inch in diameter. The entire device is approximately 6 inches long and is mounted above the engine. The inside pipe has a series of drilled holes; there are caps on both ends. The hose from the manifold feeds into the inner pipe; the hose from the outer pipe goes to the air intake. In this way, the oil fumes condense and deposit in this PVC device eliminating the risk of a runaway engine but the smell is also eliminated. I rebuilt this device last year....its easy to build and costs less than $5. I can post some engineering drawings if anyone is interested....
Ted K.
Sea-STAR
Ted
"Sea-STAR" #687
Home port: Seattle, WA (Shilshole Marina)
Yes, Ted, please post. Someone in our nearly-600 Membr group will be interested.
Any photos of your mods, anyone???
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Ted,
It sounds as though you have created a nice air oil seperator out of PVC pipe.
Nice idea. It made me wonder if the stock installation with the breather just lying against the out side of air filter was disigned to do the same. If the oil mist is heavy the build up would likely run down the outside of the filter element and drip off. If routed directly into the intake heavy mist could cause a run away.
Cepheus dream
C36 MK I # 825
MK I Tech Editor No Mas
One of our guru's came up with a very easy suggestion over 20 years ago. Put some absorbent pads in a beer can and run the breather hose into it. I use Excedrin bottles with a rolled up small bunch of absorbent pads. No engineering drawings needed. Your choice of container.:):):)
Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)
[QUOTE=stu jackson c34;6313]...Put some absorbent pads in a beer can and run the breather hose into it....:):):)[/QUOTE]
I asked Stu what type of absorbent pads he recommends for this situation, and he said...Depends. :p
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/