As promised Tony Germin (C34 owner) and I recently completed a short YouTube video on the new chain plate design we installed in his boat last year. We are currently working on an yet another chain plate design to improve the ones I have on my C36 which involves making large flanged deck plates that incorporate the deck bolt holes. More on this as the winter progresses. For now take a look at the result of last year's project at:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO5_Yjqktr8[/url](link is external)
Off the the Toronto Boat show tomorrow. Yippee especially because it is -18C outside right now (that's 0 degrees F for our American friends).
Rick Verbeek
Southpaws
1999 C36 #1763
Chilly Lake Ontario
Toronto
Rick Verbeek
Southpaws
1999 C36 #1763
Lakeshore Yacht Club
Toronto
Nice work Rick. Are you going to produce the new chainplates or can you get more made?
Enjoy the show, we hope to go this week sometime. BTW, it was -26C last night up here. Nippy.
Rick, That's a fantastic video and professionally done. Just one question, can this job be done without taking the mast down? I'm guessing yes, as you can do one chain plate at a time and the mast will be held up adequately with the remaining shrouds. Correct?
Also (one more question) I noticed that you used 3M 5200 to seal the plate to the deck. 5200 has been referred on this web site as the "Devil's sealant" and suggested not to be used on any appliction that is not intended to be forever perminant. I've got my own tube of it marked with a skull and crossbones. Are you sure that's the right stuff for this ap?
Thanks again for the wonderful demo.
Sam
(and I really hate to mention it, but its +19c here today.)
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
I'm pretty sure they didn't use the 5200 as sealant, they used it to make a gasket, that was why they put the plastic sheeting on the deck. It should make a pretty tough gasket. But that brings up a good question, why not just cut a gasket out of a sheet of a rubber type gasket making material? I do like the direction they are going with this project. I'm sure Rick can clarify this when he gets back from the boat show.
Thanks for the interest.
Sam - You definitely could do this project with the mast up. I obviously can't recommend going sailing unless all chain plates and shrouds are attached however if you are in "downtime" there is nothing unsafe about removing the shrouds from the chain plates unless there is a big blow. From a practical perspecitve, you could work on two (one from each side) at the same time.
Bud is completely correct about how and why the "5200" gasket was made the way we did. I would agree that a gasket could be made the way Bud describes however on Tony's C34 some of the gasket sits on the "diamond" pattern on the deck and we wanted the gasket to emulate that pattern. Totally agree with Sam's skull and crossbones.
Rick Verbeek
Southpaws
1999 C36 #1763
Lakeshore Yacht Club
Toronto
Below are a couple of posts I copied over from the General Discussion forum on the You Tube chain plate video. My reply follows. Rick
[I]Being a new member this is the first time I was able to really get to know the site! Its all very interesting and informative. Looking forward to updating my new acquisition a 1986 Cat 36. Its been a fresh water boat all its life never leaving the great lakes! But however I need new sails and a thorough cleaning. I also know that the chain plates are a weak point on the boat and at some point will have to be addressed. I viewed a youtube video showing how to replace the old with new and how to do it. My question is can you purchase these new style plates or do you have to manufacture them yourself? Thanks.
Tom Neary[/I]
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Welcome to the forum Tom. You will find it a wealth of information. Rick Verbeek (Southpaws2 on this forum) and Tony Germin (C34 owner) developed those chain plates. The original chain plates are not really a problem in terms of strength, it's in terms of keeping water out of the deck. They had these new style ones made. Hopefully Rick can expand on availability and so forth. Kind of like to know that myself.
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Bud & Suzanne Street
Delaroux #1494
1995 C-36 MkII SR/WK M35A
Eastern Lake Ontario[/I]
Bud is bang on regarding the issue with the chain plate design issue. It all has to do with leaks. The ones that are on Tony's C 34 were designed and installed by him. I am his able helper. They are not available commercially although Tony is more than willing to discuss leaking chain plate solutions any time. Also search the C34 and C36 owner's association website under "chain plates" and you will find several of our and others postings.
Tony can be reached at [email]togve@rogers.com(link sends e-mail)[/email]
We also hope to have a featured article on this in an upcoming issue of Jibsheet.
Rick Verbeek
Southpaws
1999 C36 #1763
Lakeshore Yacht Club
Toronto