I'm wanting to reduce the engine odor in my boat and a pcv valve addition would seem to make sense. I have seen pic's of some upgrades but I'm looking for some detail on how and where to drill and tap the manifold. Should it be removed from the engine before drilling? Is a fluid separator of some kind required or recommended? etc. Any help is appreciated.
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Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
Harold,
If you drill and tap the manifold, I would be very concerned abour getting debris in the intake that may cause engine damage. If you do it in place I would suggest removing the air filter assy., stuffing a rag in the intake manifold, drill and tap above the rag. vacuum out any debris and then remove the rag. Removing the intke manifold and completing this off the engine would be safer. Another option would be to simply remove the filter assy., and drill a hole in the base of the filter assy and install a fitting in the base plate. Make sure to safety any hardware on the intake side of the assy with lockwire, Lock Tite or something to prevent loose harware from being injested into the engine.
Cepheus dream
C36 MK I # 825
MK I Tech Editor No Mas
There really shouldn't be much engine odor, does your crankcase vent run to the air intake? If it does and it's not plugged and the intake filter is clean any crankcase fumes should pretty much go straight into the engine and be burned. If it's a diesel smell then I'd be checking the exhaust system thoroughly for a leak, certainly that's pretty common. If you're getting a lot of crankcase blow by I'd be thinking you might have badly worn rings. We pretty much get no crankcase odors at all.
You might want to talk to a real diesel engine guy before you jump into this. Diesels are unthrottled engines unlike a gas engine. There is little or no manifold vacuum. You are introducing a potential secondary source of combustion air which could be a dangerous thing to do in the event of an engine runaway.
That's exactly what I did.
Drilled and tapped the intake to reintroduce the gasses back into the intake.
Used a rag to block the shavings and then vacuumed them out with the rag still in the intake.
Position the rag past the point of tapping so the shavings fall into the intake on the oppostite side of the cylinders so the shavings can be sucked out without disturbing the rag.
I think the drawback to reintroducing the gasses into the filter assemble is the potential for dripping oil in the engine compartment.
One owner, who wrote a tutorial under the project section,
added a oil separator to reduce caking and sludge to the top end.
Mitch
1986 Catalina 36 MKI
S/V "Blessing"
Kema, TX
Hull: #584
M25 w/ Oberdorfer Conversion
Steve I agree that drilling the intake tube on the engine could be dangerous and I have rejected that idea for now. bstreet - no - my vent just runs down to the bilge below the engine and vents there and that smell seems to linger in the boat after running the engine for any amount of time. There isn't excessive blow-by but still enough that I'd like the engine to manage it. Mitch - I looked at the upgrade post on the issue (thanks for pointing that out) and I followed a link on that site to Compass Marines site where it looks like he just added a fitting to a K&N filter to vent the gas back to the intake. I've been wanting to improve my engine filter any way. I also like his idea of putting in an Air/oil separator to keep some of the gook out of the intake.
But I did some reading on the operation of PCV valves and it looks like they only really work with metered vacuum. And in this case there is no metering on our intakes so the valve would serve no purpose if I understand it correctly. So I will skip the valve and just plumb it to the air cleaner.
Thanks for the input!
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Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
Harold,
If you are willing to take off the intake manifold, it is very easy to drill and tap. It's cast aluminum. Before I did it, I spoke with several W/U reps and they all said it was a good idea. I personally would not want to drill and tap it in place. With a fitting on the manifold, you never have to worry about cleaning an air filter, and the "oily mist" smell completely goes away. I hightly recommend it.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
My vent tube came from the factory cabled to the air cleaner housing, so that the end of the vent tube ends right at the intake 'horn'. Whatever crankcase gases might come out of the vent tube are immediately sucked right into the air cleaner.
I'm not sure I'd want to plumb that hose directly into the air filter. If for some reason any significant quantity of oil were to be blown out of the vent line and into the intake, the engine could ingest that oil and you might not be able to stop it. Diesel engines just need fuel (like oil) and compression to run, so if you can't cut off the fuel..... I'd not like find out that I overfilled the crankcase on my last oil change by having the engine destroy itself.:eek: A small risk perhaps, but that's why I wouldn't tap it directly into the air filter or worst, manifold.
My 2 cents (perhaps worth even less :D
Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay
Tom - as always I appreciate your input. I have seen your upgrade on your web site but I'm not sure I am ready to disassemble the intake for drilling. But it will make a neat install when I get there. I'm 500 miles from my boat so when it's in the water - it's time to sail. Gary - I do understand your concern as I have seen what happens when a large diesel engine runs away and it is a little scary. Parts flying every where in short order! Good food for thought.
Thanks
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Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP