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Hurth gear

Does anyone know if the gear on the m25xp is a 2 to 1 hurth model 5 (or 50)?  i might pick up a used one as a spare..cheap..

"Sailing Still" 1990 C36 M25 wing
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Yes, the ​Universal M-25XP uses the Hurth HBW-50 which is a 2:1 transmission.

Nick Caballero
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Is it 100% on all Catalina 36 boats with the Universal M-25XP and Hurth HBW-50, the gear ratio is 2:1?  I could not locate my transmission built tag (nor could others).

Russell Green
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The specification given in all M25XP documentation is a 2.05:1 ratio and this represents the HBW 50-2 model.  Hurth built an HBW-50-3 with a 2.72:1 ratio, but I don't see where Universal ever fitted these.

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[quote=newguy]The HBW-50 "standard" transmission specification given in all M25XP documentation is 2.05:1 ratio.  Perhaps Hurth offered different ratios, perhaps Universal could and would offer these different ratios, and perhaps Catalina could and would offer these different ratios to the buying public, but it all seems to be a long shot.  Why do you think differently?[/quote]
I need to purchase a new/rebuilt transmission.  The stop attempting to replace my stuffing box for a PSS bent the transmission output flange using the exact procedure Catalina Direct cautions you NOT to do:  https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3613_844/coupler-puller-yanmar--universal-diesel.cfm 
Then the shop passed the completion of the project to another shop.  My preference is to purchase the replacement transmission from Foley Engines to have it ready when the diesel is pulled.  But I can not locate the original Hurth build tag on the transmission that displays the gear ratio and Foley's will not sell me a transmission until I confirm the gear ratio.  So the will need to pull it first and confirm by spinning the input shaft.  Does anyone know of the exact location for the transmission build tag?  I looked all over with no luck.

Russell Green
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1987 C36 MKI TR/WK M25XP
Moored: Deale, MD

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The location of the build tag is usually on the top of the transmission, adjacent to the filler hole.  In forward, the HBW 50-2 (the model used by Catalina) would yield 1 output shaft rotation for just slightly more than 2 input shaft rotations.  There was indeed an HBW 50-3 manufactured, which would yield 1 output shaft rotation for every 2.72 input shaft rotations.

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You may want to look at replacing your 50 with the 100 ( ZF 10 M ) which is just slightly longer. I think the 50 is under spec. I did this on my C30 without any issue, just had to move the prop shaft back about a 1/2 inch.

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2001 Catalina 36 MK 11 #2019 M35B. Add-ons: Leece Neville 90 amp Alt. Balmar  ARS 5 Regulator, Digital Duo Charger, Smartgauge battery monitor, Webasto TSL17 Hydronic heater.

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I located a new ZF-6M locally (1-day via UPS) for cheaper than a rebuilt HBW50 and without a $600 core charge.  They said the ZF-6m is 1/2" longer where the ZF-10M was closer to 1" longer and $600 more.  Assuming the PSS could be adjusted to slide the new SS propshaft back the 1/2" while the boat is in the water?

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Russell Green
S/V "GoodwiII"  #759
1987 C36 MKI TR/WK M25XP
Moored: Deale, MD

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[quote=down_shift]Assuming the PSS could be adjusted to slide the new SS propshaft back the 1/2" while the boat is in the water?
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Check out the Fall 2015 issue of Mainsheet that is archived on this site.  It covers the procedure to do this in the water on a MKII.  Should be similar for a MK1.

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[quote=newguy][quote=down_shift]Assuming the PSS could be adjusted to slide the new SS propshaft back the 1/2" while the boat is in the water?
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Check out the Fall 2015 issue of Mainsheet that is archived on this site.  It covers the procedure to do this in the water on a MKII.  Should be similar for a MK1.[/quote]
Nick,
I located the Mainsheet article but do not have the password to view or download.  The password to login to this forum is not it.  Any suggestions?

Russell Green
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1987 C36 MKI TR/WK M25XP
Moored: Deale, MD

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[quote=down_shift][quote=newguy][quote=down_shift]
I located the Mainsheet article but do not have the password to view or download.  The password to login to this forum is not it.  Any suggestions?[/quote]

The password is located immediately above the .pdf link to download it.

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I built this device using 1/2" steel to try and push the shaft out of the coupling. It did not work. I had to cut the shaft and pull out.
I did not know a device already existed. Has anyone been successful in removing one?

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