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This past weekend I happen to notice that the bilge pump was kicking on and pumping water out the transom. I immediately checked the bilge and the water was clear (thank God) so, I knew it was from water onboard and not salt water. As I checked the origin of the trickle I discovered it was coming from the water heater. All of the hoses leading to it were secure and dry so I figured it was leaking from underneath. I did a thorough search of all threads and learned a lot but I stil have a question. I have checked Defender and of course they list 6 gallon hot water heaters. I am just wondering if anyone else with a similar vintage would be able to tell me what part number I should order. My boat is a 2001.

Glenn Druhot
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New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
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Glen

I have a similar problem although I have noticed a very small trickle of engine coolant under the heater. I have tightened both the engine coolant connections and I am keeping an eye on it.

If it continues to leak I will dismantle it which seems to be pretty easy but not sure how I would fix the aluminium tank if it is corroded. I would be surprised after only 5 years.

In my 2005 model I have the S600 model - this is a 6 gallon unit with the engine collant hoses connections at the rear rather trhan the front (F600).

Peter Taylor Melbourne Australia. Altair  #2227 2005 C36 Mk11

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Thanks Peter, that sounds like the same model that I have. Good luck with yours.

Glenn Druhot
Carpe Diem
New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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Our experiences: [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,3769.0.html[/url]

Other thing is to check the pressure relief valve.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Thanks Stu, that's a lot of good info. I think I will change out all of the hoses to be on the safe side once I get in there.

Glenn Druhot
Carpe Diem
New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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I also discovered fresh water in the bilge from a mysterious source. The fact that it was warm was a pretty good clue to its origin! It turns out that the pressure relief valve on the hot water heater was faulty, and was releasing water before the water had been heated up. I replaced the valve with a new one from Seaward, and the problem was solved. I'd suggest activating the heater either by using shorepower (A/C) or by running the engine, and watching the heater to see if there are any visible leaks from hoses, connections or the pressure release valve.

--Nelson

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Thanks for the tip Nelson. I did just that. I turned it on and waited to see if any of the hoses were leaking and unfortuantley none of them showed any leakage. The water is flowing from underneath the heater. Looks as though I will be spending a Saturday changing it soon.....

Glenn Druhot
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New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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Glenn,

I just changed my water heater out. Heater exchanger in the rear. It's not hard to do, but time consuming. Ordered from Defender, cheaper than WM. Just have a small bucket to catch the antifreeze upon disconect from the heater,and a correct sized PVC hose joiner to conect the two hoses from the engine. Otherwise you will have anitfreeze in the bilge.
By the way, thanks for putting our Fleet 11 picture in the Mainsheet.

Bill

Bill Taylor
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Washington, NC

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Hello Bill, good to hear from you. I plan on spending a Saturday soon replacing that wayward WT. Defender is always cheaper than WM isn't it? It appears that it will take some time. I plan on changing all of the hoses and SS hose clamps while I am doing the project. Let's get together soon and do some sailing together huh?

Glenn Druhot
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New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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Glenn:

I'd be very interested in hearing about your water heater replacement project when you are done. I hope you will post something for the benefit of the rest of us, who will be looking at this project, sooner or later (hopefully, later!).

--Nelson Lee

Nelson Lee, "Stella," 2002 C36, hull 2069, Universal M35BC, berthed Sausalito, CA

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Nelson,
There is a great write-up in the Technical Section of the website. Ralph Johnson did it with lots of pix.

Tom Sokoloski
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Noank, CT

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I had the honor and pleasure of replacing the factory seaward heater this spring on our '00 vintage boat. The symptoms were the same as Glenn's. I chose the SS model over galvanized version - also from Defender - replaced the engine heater hoses the year before and upgraded the hose clamps to the awab type.

The change out is very simple but as usual - a bit time consuming. As noted, have something to catch the antifreeze from the engine hoses and plug them with a rag. Obviously, the whole operation is done by removing the galley sink drawer unit and bravo to Catalina for NOT putting in the teak wood plugs over the screw heads. I can live with the functionality.

Bruce
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Chesapeake Bay

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The new water heater is installed and works like a champ. It only took me just over an hour. I found that Defender, of course, had the best price. It was about $250 including shipping. I removed the teak cabinet unit beneath the sink in the galley as others have recommended.

The first part of the project was to disconnect the water lines on the front side of the heater (facing toward. the bow of the boat). I then removed the screws that held it down. At that point I found it a bit easier to get to the antifreeze lines on the aft side because I could move the heater to the one side. I then removed the antifreeze lines and disconnected the three wires on the front side.

This next step was somewhat tricky because there is just enough room to side it sideways and removed it. I then installed the new one in exactly the opposite way. Other than asking my first mate to remove one of the lines on the back side of the heater I completed the entire project in just over an hour.

I can't imagine how much the labor would be for a project like this but honetly, it wasn't all that difficult.

Glenn Druhot
Carpe Diem
New Bern, NC
35* 6' 10" N / 77* 2' 30" W
2001 C36, Hull #1965
Std Rig; Wing Keel; M35B

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Glenn:

Congratulations on getting this job done. I have a couple of questions for you, if you have a minute.

1) in looking at the Seaward unit you pulled out, were you able to see the source of the leaking?

2) how does the footprint and general size of the new heater from Defender compare to the Seaward unit?

Thanks.

--Nelson Lee

Nelson Lee, "Stella," 2002 C36, hull 2069, Universal M35BC, berthed Sausalito, CA

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Nelson,

The size and footprint of my new Seaward WH was basically, if not exactly, the same as the old one. As long as you get the same size the measurements are the same. As for where my heater was leaking, I had checked all the hoses and they were leak free, so I figured in mine it was the inside tank, and once getting it off just chunked it, not worrying where or why it was leaking. A 10 year old WH that's leaking needs replacing with no other explanation. My installation was just like Glenn's. Not hard to do, but hard on the skin of your hands. Lots of sharp edges around.

Bill

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This summer I found a leak from a hose connection to a one-way valve inserted between the input to the water heater and the tee from fresh water feed. This connection was very short. I removed the one-way valve and eliminated the leak. Is there a down side to removing the one-way valve?
I also added an AC power switch at the nav station control panel. Apparently the MK IIs have them but I didn't on our MK I, #1339. I didn't want to worry about doing damage to a partially full water heater when charging the batteries while in winter storage or unnecessarily overburdening the output of a external gas generator with the water heater AC load.

John & Kathy Impagliazzo
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Jamestown, RI
1994 C36 TR #1339, M35AC

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You quesioned the role of the one-way valve in the input line to the heater. I recently had some problems with my potable water pump, which I was able to resolve (debris inside). I learned, however, that it is sometimes recommended to install a check valve in the line going into the water heater to prevent water flowing back into the pump as the water heats in the heater. (Mine is not plumbed this way, by the way.) This is to prevent cycling of the pump. Some newer pumps (like the bigger Shur Flo pumps) have internal check valves.

So I'd say that if your fresh water pump works fine, you probably are ok. But if you have shut off issues, or cycling, you might consider reinstalling the check valve.

--Nelson

Nelson Lee, "Stella," 2002 C36, hull 2069, Universal M35BC, berthed Sausalito, CA

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does anyone have any instructions for replacing the water heater on a 1998/36?
I guess I have to take the heat pump out. That seems like a big job! Has to be done!

Rich

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Rich,
As was noted above, look in the Maintenance Section of the website. Ralph Johnson did a great write-up, complete with pictures.

Tom Sokoloski
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Noank, CT

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Well,   My Hotwater Heater is leaking, os I'm looking to replace it.  Defender has a Kuuma that holds 11 Gallons. If it fits (it will be tight) is there any downside to this?

Greg Perkins
Port Orchard, WA
1986 Catalina 36
Sail #528

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Greg;
We looked at installing an 11 gallon water heater on our Mark I and found the measurements a bit to close for comfort. I decided that the 11 gallon unit was about a fraction of an inch too high to fit on the exsisting mounting and I really didnt need 11 gallons of hot water anyway !
 If you decide on the six gallon unit, I used the Whale/Atwood type S-600 which is a direct replacement. Remove the draws under the sink to facilitate an easier installation and installed with new hoses. (The old hose may be difficult to remove)
Use a small 'L' bracket to secure the leading edge of heater as the heating unit mounting is just a bit larger than the exsisting plywood mount. Be sure the 110 volt  electric is off and tag the electric lines as you remove them from the old unit. About a three hour project.
Your mileage may vary..........
 

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