I know this is not a new issue. I just bought this 1994 C36. The jib furler jams almost everytime when being reeled in. I've walked forward and studyied the problem while others furled and unfurled. The problem is that the furling line does not feed evenly on to the spool when the sail is being pulled out and when its being furled the piles of line jam on the spool. I can prevent it from happening by being on the foredeck when the sail is being pulled out and keeping my foot on the furling line, to keep it lower as it winds on to the spool. When I do that the line goes on the spool smoothly and evenly. So it would seem the obvios solution would be to move the forward turning block for the furling line forward and lower, only there is no place and no room to do this due to interference from the anchor locker, mooring cleat etc.
HELP!
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
It's important with jib roller furling systems to keep some small amount of 'drag' on the furler line during deployment of the sail. This will allow the furler line to wrap properly on the drum, and then it will unroll easily when the sail is being reeled in.
Worst case scenario: deploying the jib in high winds with no 'drag' on the furler line. When the wind fills a small portion of the sailcloth the sail will almost instantly fully deploy, with a big sound 'BOOM!, leaving you with a rat's nest of tangled furler line on the drum. Of course, this happens in high winds, which means high seas, which means that someone has to lie on the foredeck in wet, rough conditions for a twenty- to thirty-minute puzzle untangling session. Don't ask me how I know about this.
(PS, Sam, would you consider clicking User CP, upper left corner of this page, and creating a automated signature that gives the model of your boat and other pertinent information so that we can better 'imagine' what vessel we're discussing? You can use my automated signature below as a model of what kind of information to display, the kind of info that will help us to help you. I know for your furling question this data my be somewhat irrelevant, but still it helps us to picture who we're trying to help. Thanks.)
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
My furler worked great during the sea trial, but after I shipped it 1000 miles I found it kept jamming. Turned out that in the dismasting / mast stepping sequence the final lead block got moved. I adjusted to have the lead block feed the line in just slightly above center of the spool and no more jamming.
An alternative solution, if the spool is getting full, is to remove the core of the line in the first 10 feet. The part of the line near the furler rarely receives any significant force and removing the first bit of core makes for a lot less bulk on the spool.
G. Jackson
Greg Jackson
SV Jacqui Marie
2004 C36, MKII
tall rig, wing keel,
Sam reading your post I presume you have a single line furler as what Lary mentions is for a double line furler system. All the 36s that I have seen with a single line system have a turning block mounted low off the bow sprit does yours have one?
Randy
Randy Sherwood
Mutualfun 1990 # 1057
T/R W/K M35a
Home. Charlotte, Mi.
Boat. St Augustine,Fl.
Thanks for the feedback all, Larry, I've added the detail to my signature as you suggested, I know exactly what you are talking about as we were hit by a squall on our 161 nm delivery trip across the Gulf, with the 135 all out. I saved the sail by pointing just off the wind and keeping it slightly sheeted until the wind eased. Then went forward and rode that wildly bucking bow trying to get the mess undone. I had green water coming over my lap. What fun! But honestly, my seasoned crew and I knew all about keeping tension on the furling line and had done that. And we've consistantly done that since but still she gets all messed up unless someone goes forward and holds the line lower with their foot as it goes on the spool. Randy, Thanks but no, I don't have a bow sprit and the block for the furling line passes through a block mounted on the aft down tube of the bow pulpit, Port side.
I called the previous owner and he said a rigger told him that the furling line was worn and the problem would probably go away if the line were replaced.
I'm about to go do that even though it doesn't seem logical that that would be the cause.
SAm
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
Actually, here's the signature.
Thanks again,
Sam
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
If you are sure it is a lead issue and cannot reposition the forward block can you add a moveable block between the drum and the forward block. Attach it with a loop of line to the cleat when underway, remove from the cleat and slide out of the way when docking.
The removing the core is also a good idea, it was recommended by the manufacturer when I replaced my furler recently.
Ken and Vicki Juul
SV Luna Loca
C34 #1090
Chesapeake Bay
Sam, our 1999 model has a low furler drum and a pennant of 12 inches or so that raises the tack of the headsail. One rigger I used said he would have removed the pennant and moved the drum higher. A higher drum gives you a lot more freedom to adjust the furling line fairlead to the right angle.
I don't have a problem with my low drum, however, and I have removed the core from the first 20 feet of the furling line, in addition to going to a larger diameter for better handling.
Good luck solving your problem.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
We changed our furler line last year, it was an 8 plait type and looked worn, put on double braid of the recommended size. We had no issues with the 8 plait, but now with the double braid it goes on unevenly and unless put on firmly when unfurling the sail it will start to hit the cage. Tried changing the height of the forward block and that just moves the jam up or down. For some reason the 8 plait was better, I'd change back but you rarely see that type of rope up here.
[QUOTE=bstreet;9549]... For some reason the 8 plait was better, I'd change back but you rarely see that type of rope up here.[/QUOTE]
Bud, that's what the Internet is for. ;)
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
[quote=deising;9550]Bud, that's what the Internet is for. ;)[/quote]
Yeah, you're right:o. Deliveries are a hassle right now though, prolly order some this winter and change back.
Bud,
You may want to look at Cajun rope Company [url]http://www.cajunrope.com/[/url] they are located in Nova Scotia and they have good prices on their cordage and shipping should be less of an hassle.
Ralph
Still a Thrill # 765
WK, STD Rig
Lake Texoma, TX
you people or so much fun! I still don't know what to do. But I love you all!!!
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
Just to hopefully close this thread out, I've read and re-read the Schaefer installation manual and had a nice one-on-one phone conversation with "Joy" at Schaefer. She was very helpful. I've moved the lead block forward to a position as close as possible to the spool and postitioned it so the line feed on to the spool in the center of the spool and perpendicular to the forstay axis. Took her out yesterday an everything worked fine. I've got new 3/8" line on order and will replace the old when it gets here and hopefully make everything even better. Hopefully the problem is solved, but sometimes these things mysteriously return. What I'll never understand is how this system worked for the previous owner??
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
OK, I think my problem is resolved. Re-read the Schaefer manual and had a very helpful conversation with the Schaefer Customer support folks. (very nice lady named Joy) I've moved the last lead block up to the forward bow pulpit stanchion and have it as close to the spool as possible, perpenducular to the stay and feeding to the center of the spool. And ITS WORKING!!
We took "Wind Rose" out for a spin dodging thunder boomers on Sunday and I could unfurl and furl the 135 all by myself while the GF steared. Even with some wind in the sail I was able to pull it in with one hand and no winch.
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
Great, Sam! We're glad you got it working and glad you reported your results.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Although it is now 2019, this 2011 post was helpful as I was having the same issue. Turns out I'd caused much of it by repositioning the initial block on the pulpit higher up on the starboard side to allow the anchor locker lid to open unimpeded. That change in angle seemed to have been the issue as once I moved it back down to near the deck (more perpendicular to the drum center?) where the locker lid still hits it, but just a little, the problem largely resolved itself. I still TRY to apply pressure during the unfurling, but it sometimes doesn't happen when underhanded. Still, far less scary trips to the foredeck in crashing seas...
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada