Breaking main sail track-slides

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Breaking main sail track-slides

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The plastic "cars" that attaches the main sail to the mast track keep breaking.

Today, beam reach 15kt wind and three broke.

Happened before, broke two at once.

When I look for a better replacement, all I find are the same plastic slides.

Is there a better alternative slide, or am I just overpowering my main sail?

Thanks

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Captain Rick Powers
(USCG OUPV)
1999 Catalina 36 mk II
Hull#1745
Std Rig, Fin Keel
Palo Alto, California

San Francisco Bay

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Rick - Mine are metal I believe they are called slugs. They are made out of some type of aluminum alloy. I sail in the same waters that you are - San Francisco Bay - and I have never had any problem.

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA.

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Rick,when this happened to me i started changing them one by one...after the 3rd one i removed the sail and had new plastic ones put,changed them all at once.Its been 4 yrs now and no breaks...the white plastic ages and after several yrs they become brittle.I bet your main is original..

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Haro,

Where did you get the metal slugs?

Captain Rick Powers
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1999 Catalina 36 mk II
Hull#1745
Std Rig, Fin Keel
Palo Alto, California

San Francisco Bay

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Rick, just for grins & giggles, you are aware that West Marine actually started out with their first store in, gasp, Palo Alto! :)

That's be my first source. :D

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Yep, it's right down the street. It closed only about two years ago.

So, today I went down to the boat to fix the broken sail slugs.

There were [B][U]SEVEN[/U][/B] broken slugs.

Luckily I had that many extras already on the boat, so I sewed away my morning. Got all seven replaced in two hours. LOTs of sewing the nylon strapping tapes together.

Anyhow, and looking into alternatives...

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Captain Rick Powers
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1999 Catalina 36 mk II
Hull#1745
Std Rig, Fin Keel
Palo Alto, California

San Francisco Bay

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Rick - as our boat was being delivered the delivery crew lost 7 of the plastic slugs. As a new owner I panicked and asked the local sailmaker to replace all slugs with stainless. Three lessons from that. First watch the thickness of the slides - about half of ours were just a little too thick to slide in the track. Fortunately our sailmaker saw that as his responsibility and ground them down. Second, the friction is higher, meaning a good hoist and trimming is more difficult. Third, the slides we got were slightly longer, meaning that the headboard is now about 8-10 inches higher. Means the halyard connection is just reachable. But the upside is not worrying about breakage

Bill

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Friday Harbor, WA

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I'd be worried about putting SS slugs into my aluminum mast - the aluminum is now the weakest part and much harder to replace.

While I haven't had this issue myself, there is certainly a UV aspect to consider here where the plastic slugs probably live much longer in the PNW than in California.

The ultimate solution is probably to purchase a Tide Marine Strong Track and the associated SS slides. This will make hoisting and lowering easier also.

If you continue breaking new slides you probably need to look at what you are doing for halyard tension and other sail trim settings...

Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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My previous C34 had brass slugs where the battens met the luff. No idea from whence they came!

Joe & Patti Worth
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Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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I wonder what's breaking the slugs. Could reefing be the problem? When you reef really hard, does that put extraordinary (downward) pressure on the slugs? You may want to talk to your sailmaker about this.

Larry Brandt
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2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
 

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OK guys, you have me thinking...

Maybe there is a correlation with me running with a tightened-down boom vang.

Q: Would the downwards force from a tightened boom vang cause a pull on the middle sail slugs?

Or was is just running downwind with full sail out (some broaching)?

The broken slugs were old (original to 1999), so I do give merit to the aging hypothesis...

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Captain Rick Powers
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1999 Catalina 36 mk II
Hull#1745
Std Rig, Fin Keel
Palo Alto, California

San Francisco Bay

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Rick - I bought the boat with an original Catalina main sail that had metal slugs. I did not install them myself. It may have been an option that can be ordered - I guess. There is a sail maker in San Mateo just off of HWY 101 and Peninsula ave. that I took my jib to be resown.

Leading Edge Sails
1125 N Amphlett Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401
(650) 347-2540

He will be able to install new ones for you.
I will be at the race this Saturday March 2nd. Come join me if you can. Race starts at 1:00 and everyone arrives for orientation at 11: 00 AM. Nice warm weather this weekend. Drop me a PM.

You can see the slugs and the sail has a feature for reefing that I had not seen before on any other sail.

Hope to see there.

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA.

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The only time I've ever broken slugs, is while reefing. Since then, I've marked the halyard so that the main only descends to where the slugs are able to stack above bolt that keeps them from falling out of the track slot. No more broken slugs. Personally, I would not want to use a metal slug, as I'd prefer to have the slug fail before tearing the sail.

Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay

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I think this is definitely age related. The sun does a number on plastics. I have used metal slugs and they can bind at times. Once I replaced them all with the new plastic D shape slugs things were smooth form there on out.

Larry Robcke
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Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River

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From [url]www.catalinadirect.com:[/url]

Sail Slide 3/4" Heavy Duty

Product #: Z1745

Price: $5.75

Sail Slide Flat 1-3/4" high X 3/4" wide for the Catalina 34 and Catalina 36. This heavy duty slide is used by many sailors near the top of the main where the load is high. Those who want to eliminate breakage problems that can occur with the standard white plastic slides will replace all of their slides with this heavy duty slide

Self lubricating
Very low friction
Manufactured from molybdenum disulfide
1-3/4" height reduces the possibility of jamming

These sound very cool...

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Captain Rick Powers
(USCG OUPV)
1999 Catalina 36 mk II
Hull#1745
Std Rig, Fin Keel
Palo Alto, California

San Francisco Bay

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Related question -- is there a way to replace these slides without doing any sewing? I'm ashamed to say I'm terrible at it.

David
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Hull #2133 -- 2003 MKII
Seattle, WA

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Captain Rick - sorry it me so long to respond. My metal slugs came with the boat.

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA.

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My C36 is now in its 21st year. During the first five, while on the Ches. Bay, I was replacing the plastic slugs on a regular basis. Even kept a supply of extras because of the regularity of the event. Most freqently prompted by an unplanned gybe.

The Annapolis North Loft suggested that bronze slides be installed at the location of each full length batten....to take the strain in the event of a gybe.

Since then (15-16 years) NO plastic slug failure. This would suggest that UV is not a factor.

I still have my supply of extra plastic slugs should I ever need them.

Brian Giersch
New Bern, NC
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I think the slides breaking is a combo of UV breakdown and the stresses from reefing (I broke the 2nd slug up 3 weeks ago after reefing in about 18kts.)

I was able to replace without sewing - I slipped the webbing loop through the slide's loop then around the entire slide... - tight fit!!

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[QUOTE=HowLin;17976]I was able to replace without sewing - I slipped the webbing loop through the slide's loop then around the entire slide... - tight fit!![/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I get how you did this...

David
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Hull #2133 -- 2003 MKII
Seattle, WA

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[QUOTE=FlyMeAway;17978]I'm not sure I get how you did this...[/QUOTE]

I am thinking he did something similar to this with the web loop.

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Yup; ... :D

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Hahaha obvious. I was still thinking in terms of not being able to get the slide off of my mast...

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This was our 3rd season in salt water before we hulled our this spring in Florida. I know going to salt water I can sure tell the difference raising and lowering the main at times. Our first year as we came down the east coast from the great lakes we got our new main from Mack sails. The slides they use are roller slides. They work well most of the time but I have noticed that if it has not rained for a month or more it gets a while lot harder to raise the main. So my fix is to take our 2 gallon pump sprayer of fresh water and rinse the saill track out. It is my take the salt air adds extra friction to the slides.

Randy Sherwood
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Boat. St Augustine,Fl.

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