How Many Passengers Allowed?

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How Many Passengers Allowed?

Is there a Coast Guard approved maximum number of occupants for the Catalina 36? I can't find any posted labels on my boat, or anything in the Catalina manuals, other than a generic "safe number" of people recommended. I think Chapman's says 6 people for that approximate size, but that seems low to me.

John & Tina Lastovica
"Airborne"
1988 Catalina 36 Hull No. 865
Lake Huron

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There has been some other discussion on this topic, check this link.

[url]http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1963[/url]

As I recall it came down to weight and appearance, you can accepably have more slim attractive people on board than bulky homely ones. The weight issue is a physics issue to retain stability, the attractiveness quotient makes the mass more palitable. That said attitude is more important than either the size or attractiveness. This in mind it is still easier to throw the thin ones overboard if they have a bad attitude.

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I think water coming in over the coming would mean you reached your limit. LOL :D

You are right about the capacity plate not existing. I have had approximately 12-15 guests on board for dinner and socials. Keep in mind that the boat is either moored or anchored and not in transit. The number of berths on board might be a good number, that would be 6-7. Much more than that while underway inhibits access to sheets, etc., unless they stay below.

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Larger, uninspected boats (as opposed to inspected vessels which have very strict passenger carrying regulations) don't have, and are not required to have, capacity plates as do smaller boats. I forget the length where it changes, but check your dinghy and you'll see a plate on the transom.

This was a big issue with the boat that rolled after fireworks out of Oyster Bay on July 4th a couple of years ago. A number of people died as a result, a few who were kids in the cabin because the adults thought they'd be safer. There were something like 32 people on a 28' boat, or something close. The reaction of most people was "they had to be kidding... who would overload a boat like that", but it's up to the captain operate a vessel in a safe manner.

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If I recall, that was a powerboat that rolled, with half the people on the flybridge. That would seem to be an accident waiting for a place to happen.

Gary and Cathy Price
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Northern Chesapeake Bay

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[QUOTE=Steve Frost;18446]There has been some other discussion on this topic, check this link.

[url]http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1963[/url]

As I recall it came down to weight and appearance, you can accepably have more slim attractive people on board than bulky homely ones. The weight issue is a physics issue to retain stability, the attractiveness quotient makes the mass more palitable. That said attitude is more important than either the size or attractiveness. This in mind it is still easier to throw the thin ones overboard if they have a bad attitude.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, guys. I'm catching the drift here -pardon the expression. The link was helpful and reminded me of the forgotten formula for estimating max people; boat length x width/15 which get us about 26 people for a Catalina 36. Would someone care to refine this formula a bit to account for 'attractiveness' and 'bulk' factors?

John & Tina Lastovica
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1988 Catalina 36 Hull No. 865
Lake Huron

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It takes 29 people on board a Martin 242 (2500 lb race boat) to make it start rolling over at the dock. I have crewed on race boats with 11 people on a light displacement 34 footer.

I have raced my Catalina 36 with a crew of 12 plus my 5 year old daughter. I think any time you have reasonable elbow room you are OK on the crew count.

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The 375 has a capacity plate mounted in the cockpit, which from memory says 8 people. Of course we can get much more when at anchor. I think our water police would be happy if everybody had a life jacket available. And the boat did not look too crowded.

In the end, it's the skipper responsibility to ensure everybody onboard is safe.

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My wife is from the South and tends toward excessive hospitality. I've asked her to limit guests to five (thus a total of seven). I might be convinced to go higher in some circumstance. Are they experienced sailors? At least to the degree that they can predict the movement of the boom and the degree of heel. Are we just motoring on a calm evening? Are they actively imbibing? I enjoy a recreational beverage as much or more than the next guy, but I am sure that a vessel with occupants that are over served will more quickly find that they are overloaded.

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[QUOTE=jgibbons727;18475]My wife is from the South and tends toward excessive hospitality. I've asked her to limit guests to five (thus a total of seven). I might be convinced to go higher in some circumstance. Are they experienced sailors? At least to the degree that they can predict the movement of the boom and the degree of heel. Are we just motoring on a calm evening? Are they actively imbibing? I enjoy a recreational beverage as much or more than the next guy, but I am sure that a vessel with occupants that are over served will more quickly find that they are overloaded.[/QUOTE]

This will be an interesting 'team building' experience - it's a work group (about 10 people) with little or no sailing experience. I'm actually going to send out a sailing 'pre read' email to them first, then go through a thorough safety talk just before we cast off. I'm also going to assign specific duties to each person - winch up the main, etc. under my direction. Last thing we need is an accident on company time. I may even choose to sail with only the main raised, leaving more safe and open room near the bow - where I'd normally worry about the genoa sweeping someone overboard! This isn't a race, just a cruise. Some drinks will be downed, I'm sure - but everyone knows the penalty for safety incidents, so I'm not too worried about excess.

John & Tina Lastovica
"Airborne"
1988 Catalina 36 Hull No. 865
Lake Huron

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My Yacht Club has a two week summer camp for kids 7-14 years of age. We teach the kids how to sail on 15 foot precission sailboats. On Thursday afternoons four of us sailboaters take the campers out in Charlotte Harbor for a big boat sail in our sailboats. The kids are small so they all fit in the cockpit including the instructor. Today I had nine kids plus an instructor and volunteer Club member for a total of twelve. The wind was under ten knots when we left the dock, then died.

The kids learn port from starboard, the names of the sails, halyards, sheets, mast, boom and some of the simple knots. There was almost no traffic on the water so all that wanted to got to drive the boat.

It is a nice experience for the campers and me even though we had to drop the sails and motor back.

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