[QUOTE=LCBrandt;11690]I just had a long conversation with Craig Mortenson . . .
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He filled the cockpit with water and timed the drainage, and the result was 'pretty scary', so he put in a couple extra scuppers. Says he's not sure if that helped much but it made him feel better. [Note: Patriot is a Mk I; the Mk II would not have this issue.]
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Larry, I wonder if you could confirm that Craig's solution was to add two additional scuppers, rather than enlarge the existing ones. It's pretty clear that you said thus, however I see enlarging the existing scuppers, hoses and exit through-hulls as being a more attractive solution. Would also welcome opinions on the matter. Tom?
Thank you,
nick
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Nick Tonkin
*Former* Website Administrator, C36/375IA
*Former* owner, C36 tr/fk #255, Santa Barbara, CA
Approximately 15% of the boats that cross the Pacific (source Pacific Puddle Jump) are either Beneteau or Jeanneau. I've owned both as well as a pair of Catalinas. Overall, I'd say the build quality is similar with a slight edge to the Catalina. No other brand represents 5%. If you are thinking of going with a "blue water" cruiser (an old teak covered slug - my bias), be prepared for an extensive refit. See Kittiwake vlog that refits and sails a Tayana 37. Having done the crossing twice the biggest issue, for me, doing it in a Catalina 36 (properly equiped), is its size. In 2017, the last year of the free Pacific Puddle Jump I believe (still cheap, but entries way down which might effect results) only 7% of the boats are 36 feet or less. Size generally impacts comfort at sea, crossing time, storage and system availability. Another issue for the 36 is that very few on the market were ever equiped for such a passage and therefore you would likely be spending a lot on new gear to get ready (improved ground tackle, electrical, water capability, fuel capacity,etc). While the higher displacement and full underbody are attractive considerations for an alternative a number ot the older cruisers are very uncomfortable downwind or at anchor.
Interesting read, but sadly doesn't make me feel any better or worse about the future of my C36 MKI. I've had it for a year now. My gf and I were looking for an upgrade from our Ericson 27. For the next 10 years (the moment our kids fly the nest), we settled on the C36 for Puget Sound sailing comfort. The blue water boat of the similar size we looked at were just too set up for lee cloths. Makes sense, but wasn't very fun for the next 10 years of what we're going to be doing. Guess we'll be looking for another upgrade in 10 years. Although I'm sort of wondering about taking a C36 from Seattle down to Mexico, through the canal, and up and over to the Bahama's. Wondering if anyone has done it. But I think when we all wonder if anyone has done it and we can't find any vidoes on youtube and basically no blogs about c36's doing it often, I think there's our answer. I know my neighbor on our dock has some sort of blue water boat and you can just tell from the outside it's way more solid. I think I like the idea of solid. 10 years sell the house and all my cars and boom, a nice chunck of cash for an updgrade and solid live aboard for two 50 years olds to cheat some death going around the world :-)
I'll be in the same boat in 10 years...but I really don't want to live out my days in a V-Birth. I love the Catalina 42 master cabin setup. Or one of the Morgan's with a nice big stern cabin.
[QUOTE=LCBrandt;11690]I just had a long conversation with Craig Mortenson . . .
[ . . . ]
He filled the cockpit with water and timed the drainage, and the result was 'pretty scary', so he put in a couple extra scuppers. Says he's not sure if that helped much but it made him feel better. [Note: Patriot is a Mk I; the Mk II would not have this issue.]
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Larry, I wonder if you could confirm that Craig's solution was to add two additional scuppers, rather than enlarge the existing ones. It's pretty clear that you said thus, however I see enlarging the existing scuppers, hoses and exit through-hulls as being a more attractive solution. Would also welcome opinions on the matter. Tom?
Thank you,
nick
Nick Tonkin
*Former* Website Administrator, C36/375IA
*Former* owner, C36 tr/fk #255, Santa Barbara, CA
I know this is an 8 y/o post. Wondering if any of you guys were ever able to do this?
David Lane
S/V Grace
88' Catalina 36'
Oxnard, Ca
Approximately 15% of the boats that cross the Pacific (source Pacific Puddle Jump) are either Beneteau or Jeanneau. I've owned both as well as a pair of Catalinas. Overall, I'd say the build quality is similar with a slight edge to the Catalina. No other brand represents 5%. If you are thinking of going with a "blue water" cruiser (an old teak covered slug - my bias), be prepared for an extensive refit. See Kittiwake vlog that refits and sails a Tayana 37. Having done the crossing twice the biggest issue, for me, doing it in a Catalina 36 (properly equiped), is its size. In 2017, the last year of the free Pacific Puddle Jump I believe (still cheap, but entries way down which might effect results) only 7% of the boats are 36 feet or less. Size generally impacts comfort at sea, crossing time, storage and system availability. Another issue for the 36 is that very few on the market were ever equiped for such a passage and therefore you would likely be spending a lot on new gear to get ready (improved ground tackle, electrical, water capability, fuel capacity,etc). While the higher displacement and full underbody are attractive considerations for an alternative a number ot the older cruisers are very uncomfortable downwind or at anchor.
Interesting read, but sadly doesn't make me feel any better or worse about the future of my C36 MKI. I've had it for a year now. My gf and I were looking for an upgrade from our Ericson 27. For the next 10 years (the moment our kids fly the nest), we settled on the C36 for Puget Sound sailing comfort. The blue water boat of the similar size we looked at were just too set up for lee cloths. Makes sense, but wasn't very fun for the next 10 years of what we're going to be doing. Guess we'll be looking for another upgrade in 10 years. Although I'm sort of wondering about taking a C36 from Seattle down to Mexico, through the canal, and up and over to the Bahama's. Wondering if anyone has done it. But I think when we all wonder if anyone has done it and we can't find any vidoes on youtube and basically no blogs about c36's doing it often, I think there's our answer. I know my neighbor on our dock has some sort of blue water boat and you can just tell from the outside it's way more solid. I think I like the idea of solid. 10 years sell the house and all my cars and boom, a nice chunck of cash for an updgrade and solid live aboard for two 50 years olds to cheat some death going around the world :-)
Sounds very similar to our plan, though in 10 years I'll have my boat so tricked out I'll want to take it rather than do it all over again.
David Lane
S/V Grace
88' Catalina 36'
Oxnard, Ca
I'll be in the same boat in 10 years...but I really don't want to live out my days in a V-Birth. I love the Catalina 42 master cabin setup. Or one of the Morgan's with a nice big stern cabin.
Here are some links to a C34 who sailed from the Pacific Northwest to Mexico. I consider the C34s and C36 similar in a lot of ways.
https://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5270.0.html
https://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5699.msg39648.html#msg39648
Kyle Ewing
Donnybrook, 1990 Catalina 34 #1010
Belmont Harbor, Chicago
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