I'm planning to install an anchor washdown pump but would like to proceed with a bit more advance information. I did a search for this topic and got good info, sure; but what's missing is a photo or even a description of the layout of items in the anchor well.
I want to vertically mount a PVC tube about 4 inches diameter, maybe 18 inches long, to hold the coiled hose. I'd like a hard-mounted hose bib somewhere convenient, and also a voltage On-Off switch that is readily accessible (and also salt-water proof). I know a lot of you have done this, but what is the optimum layout that has the least potential interference with anchor rode? Photos would be appreciated. Thanks.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Larry, there are so many different ways to do this, I imagine no one solution is "best"...
I mounted my pump on the bulkhead behind the toilet raw water intake. I put the pump switch (w/ indicator light) beside the windlass switch below the game table seat (my thinking is that you need to be there anyway to turn the windlass on/off, so won't forget the washdown pump either...).
I installed a bulkhead-mount valve for the hose on the left side rear of the anchor well and I keep the hose in a canvas sack in the cockpit locker and connect/disconnect when needed (I don't like the idea of leaving it in the locker) plus I use it to attach to the hose when I wash the boat, thereby giving it a freshwater rinse occasionally, otherwise it corrodes up pretty fast.
That's my system anyway, I can post a few pics if you're interested.
Howard
---- Howard & Linda Matwick ----
--- S/V "Silhouette" - Nanaimo, BC ----
--- 1999 C36 MkII #1776 M35BC ---
Larry - I have one to put in, but right now it is fairly low on the priority list. The general plan is to "T" off the head intake, mount the pump under the V-birth and have the outlet on the port side of the locker. as for the switch - my current thinking is to use a relay with power feed off windlass battery - and have a switch on the navpod at the helm (but may stick with a switch on the electric panel), I've already have wires in the helm guard for both the pump and windlass up/down (no switches there yet). There is also a windlass control in the anchor locker if there is enough wires in the pendant I might put the switch in there also. I have a separate battery, battery switch & charge module under the v-berth.
I have to pull the windlass fairly soon and re-bed (hopefully the core is ok). I just got the boat a month and a half ago and this is the last "leaky" spot that I know of. Next project is finish the autopilot - I'll send a write up on it with some pic's - the articles I've seen here (including yours) are all MK-II's - needless to say my 1983 version doesn't have a swim step to mount the linear drive on. Last night I welded up a mounting bracket (still need to add gussets) - but this is a washdown pump thread - more later.
Les
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore
Larry. What I did was tee into the raw water intake line with a pump. Then ran lines for and aft for wash downs. The switch is on the control panel below by the windlass switch. The fitting I use up front is from http://www.newfoundmetals.com/ I then store the 5 foot of hose in the the anchor locker. The fitting you will see on the web site fits flat and is right by the foot switches.
Randy Sherwood
Mutualfun 1990 # 1057
T/R W/K M35a
Home. Charlotte, Mi.
Boat. St Augustine,Fl.
David S. Power
Two If By Sea #1687
Burnt Store Marina
Punta Gorda, FL
David S. Power
Two If By Sea #1687
Burnt Store Marina
Punta Gorda, FL
One more idea for Larry - Assuming you have a windlass, you can use the power from the windlass and avoid installing a switch since you will have the power on only when you are anchoring. I am not sure if you are considering using fresh or salt water to wash down.
Salt water - you can T off of the the head salt water hose and have the water pump near the windlass motor. I am not sure how to take the hose to the anchor locker.
Fresh water - T off of the cold water hose in the head. For this - switch or power is not needed.
Send us some photos of your completed project.
Sail La Vie 1999 Catalina 36 MKII, M35B-17031, Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA
About Sail La Vie
My plan is to tee off the head intake, whether fresh or salt water - who cares? It's just to wash down the rode and anchor. And I'll pick up the power from the windlass.
What I'm asking for are any ideas regarding the layout in the anchor well: I'd like 1) a waterproof power switch up there so that the pump works only when I need it; 2) I want to have a hose fitting, like a garden hose fitting, that I can connect the hose to, and 3) I want to cement in a 4" or 5" diameter PVC pipe that I can store the hose and nozzle in.
Thanks for the ideas submitted so far.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
here is a "purchase" solution for your hose garage...
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303323&id=2259943
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore
Larry;
I have posted a few pictures (for what it's worth) to give you a few ideas...
The fixture I used in the anchor locker is a bulkhead mount hose fitting with ball valve shut-off.
The wash down pump is located on the bulkhead between the head and V-berth. The pump switch is located beside the windlass switch.
H
---- Howard & Linda Matwick ----
--- S/V "Silhouette" - Nanaimo, BC ----
--- 1999 C36 MkII #1776 M35BC ---
Larry,
As best I can understand your idea, I believe I have done the same thing on my boat.
My water connection is in the head, "T"'d off the fresh water flush intake. I used a strainer and ran the water line to anchor locker. I mounted my washdown pump next to the windless and took power from the windless circuit.
I put the switch in the anchor locker and used a 4" piece of PVC pipe to store the coiled washdown hose.
Bill Matley
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan, Michigan
Lakes Huron, Michigan,
Canadian North Channel
"Spirit of Aloha" Hull #1252
Howard and Bill, you guys are great. Yes, that's what I'm considering, and your photos are a great help.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
I was going to run the wire back to the panel, but others here prefer tying into the windlass system. If I were to do that, I could use an 8 gauge wire, a lot less of it, and a lot less snaking around. I was pretty surprised at how expensive that wire is (I know, it's a boat, but as a sailor I like to keep up the tight-fisted image.)
I haven't started taking things apart yet. Is there an obvious place to tie into the windlass power? I want to avoid making a connection in some hidden spot that no one will ever be able to find. If this were the house, I'd make the connection with wire nuts. I know not to do that. Do I need a special 3 way heat shrink connector or can I put two wires on one side of a regular butt end connector?
Southern Comfort #1881
Tall rig, Wing Keel
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
If you do tie into the windlass circuit - be sure and put a fuse within a few inches (6"max) of that connection, I'm sure your washdown pump wire is substantially smaller than that of the windlass.
Les
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore
Just came back from the boat after pulling away a few panels in the bow. It appears to me that the path for both the plumbing and the electrical wire follow the same path initially.
From under the shower seat, behind the funky "drawer," then through the compartment where the forward H2O tank is (the tubing can just sit across the top of the tank), then up against anchor locker and up to port for plumbing and starboard for electrical.
I hadn't realized how heavy duty the windlass wiring was. No reason not to go right to the terminals on the windlass, is there?
That 8 gauge wire is pretty heavy. Is there an issue connecting it to the 16 gauge from the pump t the 8 gauge wire?
Southern Comfort #1881
Tall rig, Wing Keel
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
No reason not to go right to the windlass power terminals EXCEPT: Whenever connecting lesser-gauge wires to a power source they MUST be protected by some sort of fuse or circuit breaker. I keep reminding people that the purpose of fuses and circuit breakers is to *protect the boat*...that is, to keep your boat from going up in flames.
Yes, that's probably where I'll pick up the DC power I'll need; however, I will certainly run the positive wire through a circuit breaker.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B