G'day all.
Have been contemplating a replacement for the factory fitted 3 bladed bucket on Nirvana and have read a lot of stuff on the forum site and lots of other literature.
I have been persuaded that a flexofold is the way to go.
I contacted to Company direct for a price (phew they are not cheap) and received the following info:
With a Universal 35 Engine ( 30 Hp. by 3200 Rpm. and a gear ratio 1:1,79) we would recommend a 2-blade 15x11RH or a 3-blade 15x10RH propeller for your Catalina 36 MkII.
I would like to confirm that the 3 blade suggestion is correct. I seem to recall that 15x11 was the best size, as mentioned by some who have fitted them.
I would be grateful if anyone could confirm this for me.
cheers
Kerry Boden
Kerry Boden
Kerry,
I believe that a 2005 Catalina has a M35B engine giving 35 hp. This is what flexofold quoted me:
"With a Universal M35B (35 HP by 3000 RPM, reduction 1:1,79) we would recommend a 2-blade 15x10R or a 3-blade 15x9-3R propeller for your Catalina 36 Mark 2."
I ended up getting a Gori and they recommended 15x10x3R, for what it's worth. This propellor and pitch moves the boat along well and still reaches the maximum 3000 rpm.
Kevin Schempf
"Windfall" #1918
2000 C-36 Mk II TR/WK
Traverse City, Michigan
Thank you for that info Kevin.
Kerry Boden
Kerry, have a look to the Variprofile of the German manufacture Spw. They are really great!
I have one on my c-36 hull 1122, with a universal M-35
The advantage of the variprofile is that you can easily change the pitch independent forward from reverse.
Previously I had a folder propeller and there is not real difference in drag between folder and feathering propellers, at least those manufactured by Spw.
Excellent value for money.
[url]http://www.spw-gmbh.de/en/[/url]
Hope it helps.
Regards, from the Mediterranean.
Eladio,
Eureka II
Hull 1122
Eladio Vallina
C-36 TR EUREKA II
Hull 1122 (1991)
Home port Barcelona (Spain).
Many thanks Eladio,
I will check it out.
what size did you fit?
Kerry Boden
It is a 3 blades. Originally 15*9. I have ended with 15*10,5 forward and 15*9 reverse.
Is it obvious the feathering propellers, in order to have little drag under sail, at least Spw, have quote strait forward blades. So sometimes when pushing needs some time to react.
If you prefer a folding, have a look to their varifold folding propellers. Again, it is my very personal opinion, because c-36 hull form, the folding propellers, whatever is the manufacture, will have some troubles and time to stop the boat...
That was the main reason I moved from a folding to a feathering propellor. Regarding gori...Well, I am not fan of.
Best regards,
Eladio
Eladio Vallina
C-36 TR EUREKA II
Hull 1122 (1991)
Home port Barcelona (Spain).
I've had a Flex O Fold 2 blade folder for 8 years. I'm very happy with it. I've never had any trouble stopping the boat with it.
I have a Flex-o-Fold 15/9 3 blade. I'm getting between 2800 2900 rpm at wot. That seems a little low on the rpm. I hope that isn't a problem down the road. No signs of distress at this point.
:cool:
Iti Motu
2006 MK ll
M35 BC,
Standard Rig w/LeisureFurl Boom
Flex-o-fold 3 blade 15/9
Rocna 15
Sail #2263
Have you checked your tac?
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
[QUOTE=William Miller;21436]Have you checked your tac?[/QUOTE]
I have not done that and I'm not sure how to do that on a diesel.
Iti Motu
2006 MK ll
M35 BC,
Standard Rig w/LeisureFurl Boom
Flex-o-fold 3 blade 15/9
Rocna 15
Sail #2263
You use an optical tach on the engine pulleys. You stick a reflective piece of tape on a pulley and shoot the optical tach at it, you'll get accurate RPM's. I think the Association has one in the tool kit for Members to borrow but they are really cheap to buy nowadays and very handy to have around.
[QUOTE=bstreet;21442]You use an optical tach on the engine pulleys. You stick a reflective piece of tape on a pulley and shoot the optical tach at it, you'll get accurate RPM's. I think the Association has one in the tool kit for Members to borrow but they are really cheap to buy nowadays and very handy to have around.[/QUOTE]
I just bought one on Amazon for 15 bucks. Thanks for the tip.:)
Iti Motu
2006 MK ll
M35 BC,
Standard Rig w/LeisureFurl Boom
Flex-o-fold 3 blade 15/9
Rocna 15
Sail #2263
Just make sure the reflective tape goes on the crank pulley and not on the alternator or water pump pulley.
Randy Sherwood
Mutualfun 1990 # 1057
T/R W/K M35a
Home. Charlotte, Mi.
Boat. St Augustine,Fl.
[QUOTE=mutualfun;21454]Just make sure the reflective tape goes on the crank pulley and not on the alternator or water pump pulley.[/QUOTE]
Copy that,
Should have the new tachometer in hand tomorrow. I will check it out and see what's up.
Thanks for the feedback guys, I learn something here everyday.
Iti Motu
2006 MK ll
M35 BC,
Standard Rig w/LeisureFurl Boom
Flex-o-fold 3 blade 15/9
Rocna 15
Sail #2263
Have you considered a KIWI prop? Feathering composite from New Zealand, easy to install. tom francis, 1985 MK1
I just ordered a 3 blade Max-Prop Easy for Scarlett, my '93 Catalina 36. It will be a 15 x 9. It will replace the two blade fixed propeller that came with the boat I purchased in 2012. I had a terrible time backing into my slip (Starboard side to dock) with any kind of a breeze and trying to counter the prop walk. I expect the Max-Prop will alleviate the lack of reverse thrust and some of the prop walk. This is especially important because of our less nimble age and, with only my spousal unit crew assistance, I am basically single handed. I desire extra control. Although the $3300 plus tax is a steep price to pay, I refuse to compromise speed under sail. Installation will be delayed until haul out in May or June, so I won't have performance results to report until after then. Here's hoping it meets my expectations!
Alex Bromen
SV Scarlett
Olympia, WA
Hi Alex, I have hull number 1301, also a 93 Mark 1.5 with walk thru transom. Now that you have had the max prop for a season, what do you think overall and which specific prop did you buy?
I have a fixed 3 blade and also have issues with prop walk.
Stephen Noe
S/V Earendil, Oriental NC, USA
1985 Endeavour 42
Hey Kerry,
I ordered a KIWI prop last year and have been very satisfied. Three blade folding composite prop, that I learned about from this C36 owners site. Speed has increased and prop walk is minimal. Cost was $1500 delivered from New Zealand. www.kiwiprops.com
Bruce Poorman
Bobcat #954
Kerry double check what engine you have prior to ordering, I think there might be a big difference? There should a ID tag on the engine. Mine was on the Heat exchanger.
I have a 3 blade Geared folding prop (Slip stream) put on by PO. Works great in fwd and not bad in reverse. Folds well. Stock prop was 15x10. I have the M35AC.
I had a Max Prop on my Cal, well worth the bucks!! The one thing about the Max prop was that I had to cut the prop shaft. I couldn't put anything but a Max prop after that. There was no way to install a cotter key. Max prop uses a different way of securing the nut.
Chuck Lennox
97 MKii Ventura Ca
Island Girl Hull #1611
Thank you all for your input, it was very useful.
I have just installed a Kiwiprop and it is proving to be a great inprovement!
It was quick to get and very easy to install.
Cheers
Kerry
Kerry Boden
Call me a contrarian.
In my airplane days I flew many different airplanes, some with two- and some with three-bladed props. Invariably the two-blade props were faster than their three-blade counterparts. This is a well-recognized fact in aviation circles. In my mind, that means that the (MY TERM) thrust/drag efficiency factor significantly favored the two-blade. Phrased another way, what you get from a three-blade in "bite" does not net out positive versus what you get in drag. I have continued to believe that a two-blade prop in the marine world must be subject to similar factors, so I have only a two-blade on S/V High Flight, and have no intention to change.
On the other hand, I have crewed/skippered other people's boats with three-blade folding props, a Hunter 43 with a MaxProp comes to mind particularly. Whether it had more "bite" or not I couldn't say, or whether it had more or less prop walk than the same vessel with a two-blade, I can't say (prop walk being the result not just of the prop but the geometry of the hull); but what I found damn frustrating was a lag in the blades getting into position while close quarter maneuvering, where quick forward aft power control is essential. On my simple fixed two-blade, thrust is instant when maneuvering. On the folding prop the added time lag when thrust is needed in an adverse current or wind situation might be just enough of a delay to make a boat handler look like a fool instead of a genius.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
hi Larry
I have also heard about the delay on reaction if the folding props, but a feathering one should be better on that respect. My neighbour has a 3 blade Kiwi for over 3 years and loving it. I have maneuver his boat a bunch of times and no noticeable delay.
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
For what it's worth.....................
I have just replaced the original 3-blade fixed 15x9 prop because it was giving me a lot of grief with dramatic prop walk to port (and my berth is a starboard tie-up).
My new prop is a Varifold 3-blade 17" x 11" folding prop (given all the parameters this is what the Varifold guys recommended).
I can highly recommend this prop:
It's a beauty!!
Russell
2001 Mk II 'Cafe Del Mar'
Hull 1978
Brisbane, Australia
Can anybody comment about their estimated speed increase under sail that they experienced with a folding or feathering prop? Also, did switching add any additional vibration to the drive train and lastly, are they any more difficult to rebalance if you knock a blade of of true from maybe running over a lobster pot?
Paul & Wendy Keyser
"First Light"
Rye NH
2005 C36 MKII #2257
Wing, M35B
I would guess a half a knot easy. Big difference in light wind. Love it! I kind of think of it as an overdrive!
Chuck Lennox
97 MKii Ventura Ca
Island Girl Hull #1611
I've a 1984 Mk 1 with a universal 25. Hull # 210. Any recommendations on a folding / feathering prop from anyone who's been there, done that with an older gal like mine?
I purchased (from craigslist) a 2 bladed flexofold 15" diameter 11" pitch for my 1985 Catalina 36 MkI and wish I did it when I first bought the boat 4 years ago. I do have to say that I replaced my original M25 engine with a new M25 XPB at the same time so not exactly a apples to apples. I can attest to much less walk in reverse, faster sailing speeds (less drag), and quicker acceleration. I have had it for a year and have put many miles and hours between Annapolis and the Vineyard. Definitely very happy with it and would recommend.
Matthew Schubert
S/V Mary Lynne #436
Annapolis/Newport
1985 C-36 M25XPB
Thank you for your information mschubert. I really appreciate it! I'm unfamiliar with the difference in our engines, but the same principles should apply. They should be similar.