Greetings all,
I have purchase a brand new crate motor from Catalina and need some thoughts and advice. One question i have is the hot water heater hookup. The previous owner had installed a manifold with a shutoff valve pictured below. This was feed off of the heat exchanger going to the water heater and back into the heat exchanger. The new engine is a 2006 model M25XP and is fully plumed and ready to drop in but I don't see how the water heater is to hook up to it without cutting one of the hoses. How was this accomplished on the 2006 model boats? Also was there any recalls or issues I should be aware of on this model motor?
Engine Model info:
M-25 XPBC
SN 5Q0909-E602
ship date (to the Factory) 02/27/06
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
Here are the pictures....I think
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
Larry,
The first thing I'd suggest is getting rid of that mickey-mouse manifold setup. It is definitely not needed nor desired. The water heater should be plumbed between the thermostat housing and the circulating pump on the front of the engine. You may have to get some nipples to connect the hoses to those points. I looked up your membership. Being a three-year member of C36/375IA, you received a Tech Notes CD when you joined. Find the CD, and look up the M35 Operators Manual on the CD. The M25XPB(C) is NOT the same as the M25XP!!! Its specs and diagrams are included in the M35 manuals. Page 26 shows the water heater hookup points. And yes, it's a good idea to separate your questions into two or three threads. Easy enough to do by editing your post.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Thanks for the reply Tom, I never did receive the tech CD you are speaking of. I was the fellow that bought your old Autoprop from your a few years back, I think I mentioned it to you then but not sure. Can I get one of these? I could pay for it if needed but think it would definitely be something I would like to get my hands on. Speaking of the prop, do you think it will work on this model engine?
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
Found the document you are speaking of in the Technical section, thanks for the info. I may do the remote oil filter as well at some point!
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
Larry,
If your tranny has close to the same reduction ratio (1.89:1)?, then the autoprop should work perfectly. Your M25XPB has 26 hp. My M25XP had 23hp, and I thought the prop was a tiny bit too much for it.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Larry, I sent your name to Ralph and you should have a CD underway to you. Note they just (latest edition) became available, and Ralph is busy getting them out.
PS looking at the pictures you posted that was the same hookup I had on my 1984 Catalina 30. There was a detailed explanation in the owners manual as to how that was to be used.
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
I was just installing a new water heater. I will try to send pics in the next few days, but what I did was find some 3/4 mpt to 5/8 hose barbs, and installed them on the thermostat housing, and the exhaust manifold entrance. Then used that loop to run to the water heater.
My boat had the water heater and all associated plumbing removed so I was going from scratch. My engine didn't have the manifold or any of that and I see no great use for it. I'm trying to keep everything as simple and straightforward as possible. Also with a new motor you may not have any problems just replacing the 10 inches of house that connects the thermostat housing and exhaust manifold. Mine was jury rigged to say the least and I felt that actual hose barbs would be more vibration resistant than what I had.
I preferred to make my water heater loop off the front of the engine to make those connections easier for visual inspection, and I didn't have as tight a bend radius trying to get it all plumbed into the heat exchanger.
Cheers
Fred & Cathy
Black Magic
1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #315
Traverse City, MI
Here is a picture I took of where I put our water heater loop. The shiny new looking hose. Pay no attention to mess the rest of the engine is.
Before I put those hoses on, there was just a small bit of hose that connected those two ports.
Hope this has helped.
Cheers
Fred & Cathy
Black Magic
1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #315
Traverse City, MI
In my humble opinion I think you have compromised the cooling ability of your engine. By reducing the water pump outlet to 5/8" from 7/8" you have cut the water movement in half. The idea I believe of that water manifold was to restrict the cooling water to the WH so that it would not take too much from the engine, now you not only reduced the size but directed all the engine water to the WH.
My 2¢ worth.
Alex H.
SV Alexanne, 1985 #432 SR
SF Marina Bay YH
Alex, maybe not. Here's why: with NO wh, the "bypass" line on the engine from the coolant pump to the base of the thermostat is only 3/8" anyway.
The lines to the HX are 7/8". On my boat, with a wh, the takeoff lines from the pump and thermostat are 3/8" and then go up to 5/8" to the wh. Never been a problem.
If you have no wh, then that bypass line line is still "only" 3/8".
Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)
That is not what he has... He is not using the bypass, but diverting all the cooling water through the water heater and has reduced the main outlet to 5/8". Your system is correct in that it uses the bypass for the WH.
Alex H.
SV Alexanne, 1985 #432 SR
SF Marina Bay YH
Alex,
Thanks for the info. I will go back and look it over. The short hose I replaced to do this loop was a 5/8 hose, so I thought no harm no foul. Back to the drawing board.
Fred & Cathy
Black Magic
1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #315
Traverse City, MI
Just wanted you to understand what you were doing. Attached is the page from Universal showing how to hook up water heater.
Good luck.
Alex H.
SV Alexanne, 1985 #432 SR
SF Marina Bay YH