I am planning on hauling our boat this spring and would like to re-bed the keel, has anyone done this? If so could you pass on any tips?
Cheers,
John
Hull 508
I would bet that your water is coming from other sources. I as most see water in the bilge after sailing, I too suspected keel bolts. After several years I find my bilge remains bone dry if it does not rain, i do not pound to weather or heel heavily.
At minimum I would suggest retorqing your keel bolts before jumping into pulling and rebedding your keel.
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Cepheus dream C36 MK I # 825 MK I Tech Editor No Mas
John, I think Steve's telling it straight. It's highly unlikely the water is entering the bilge via the keel bolts. But as he suggests it's a valid project to re-torque the keel bolts, and you can borrow the C36IA Toolbox's deep socket to do it.
The mating of the keel to the hull is about as low tech as any mechanical attachment can be. When you haul, if you see the 'Catalina smile', it may indicate a need to re-torque the bolts; the 'smile' is a crack appearing in the leading edge of the fairing at the keel-to-hull joint. That crack is in the bondo that fairs the joint, and it is not structural...it's only cosmetic (unless your yard or surveyor indicates otherwise). But if you re-torque the bolts, they should be torqued to the correct amount; an over-torque can damage the keel box structure, which is a fiberglass 'box' laid over a piece of wood. Note that the wood is only a form, it has no structural purpose.
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Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Not complaining - But don't count on the "Tool Box" to provide the wrenches you need to get this job done. I still haven't heard back on my request for that item. I had to pay the yard to get my Cutlass Bearing done and will likely do the same for the keel as my drop in is April 26th. However - The new tool guy did tell me that he is still looking for some of the tools.
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Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
It is very unfortunate that we had this interruption in service with our Association Toolbox. I know our new 'tool meister' John VanVessem is working hard to try to get things sorted out as soon as he can.
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Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
When I asked to borrow the deep set sockets, for the keel I recieved them within 3 weeks, I used them then sent them to the next person in line with the address that was sent to me.
I would not get discouraged, remember this is all done by memebers who [B]DO IT FOR FREE.[/B]
I also have used the special keel bolts from the tool box last year and they worked well. My boat was not that old, but everyone of my bolts were under torrqued, some by as much as a half turn.
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Ken Enstrom
2004 C-36 MKII #2199
Tall Rig, Wing Keel, M-35B
S/V Valkyrie - Sail Great Lakes
OK - now I feel bad.:( Made my request months ago - got an email from the new Tool Guy that he was still looking for the tools - and haven't heard anything since. Guess I kind of gave up and had the yard do the work! Yes - I understand how the volunteer thing works - BUT this leaves me a little confused.
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Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
unless it is falling off Y would want to?
Mike Hogan
s/v Ciscocat #226
Mark I XP25, std rig
It leaks after the boat has been sailed!
I would bet that your water is coming from other sources. I as most see water in the bilge after sailing, I too suspected keel bolts. After several years I find my bilge remains bone dry if it does not rain, i do not pound to weather or heel heavily.
At minimum I would suggest retorqing your keel bolts before jumping into pulling and rebedding your keel.
Cepheus dream
C36 MK I # 825
MK I Tech Editor No Mas
John, I think Steve's telling it straight. It's highly unlikely the water is entering the bilge via the keel bolts. But as he suggests it's a valid project to re-torque the keel bolts, and you can borrow the C36IA Toolbox's deep socket to do it.
The mating of the keel to the hull is about as low tech as any mechanical attachment can be. When you haul, if you see the 'Catalina smile', it may indicate a need to re-torque the bolts; the 'smile' is a crack appearing in the leading edge of the fairing at the keel-to-hull joint. That crack is in the bondo that fairs the joint, and it is not structural...it's only cosmetic (unless your yard or surveyor indicates otherwise). But if you re-torque the bolts, they should be torqued to the correct amount; an over-torque can damage the keel box structure, which is a fiberglass 'box' laid over a piece of wood. Note that the wood is only a form, it has no structural purpose.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Not complaining - But don't count on the "Tool Box" to provide the wrenches you need to get this job done. I still haven't heard back on my request for that item. I had to pay the yard to get my Cutlass Bearing done and will likely do the same for the keel as my drop in is April 26th. However - The new tool guy did tell me that he is still looking for some of the tools.
_____________
Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
Harold,
It is very unfortunate that we had this interruption in service with our Association Toolbox. I know our new 'tool meister' John VanVessem is working hard to try to get things sorted out as soon as he can.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
I am surprised by the cooment about the TOOL BOX.
When I asked to borrow the deep set sockets, for the keel I recieved them within 3 weeks, I used them then sent them to the next person in line with the address that was sent to me.
I would not get discouraged, remember this is all done by memebers who [B]DO IT FOR FREE.[/B]
FAIR WINDS & FOLLOWING SEAS
Jeff Costa
S/V KAIROS Hull #0235
Good comment, Jeff. Thanks!
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
I also have used the special keel bolts from the tool box last year and they worked well. My boat was not that old, but everyone of my bolts were under torrqued, some by as much as a half turn.
Ken Enstrom
2004 C-36 MKII #2199
Tall Rig, Wing Keel, M-35B
S/V Valkyrie - Sail Great Lakes
OK - now I feel bad.:( Made my request months ago - got an email from the new Tool Guy that he was still looking for the tools - and haven't heard anything since. Guess I kind of gave up and had the yard do the work! Yes - I understand how the volunteer thing works - BUT this leaves me a little confused.
_____________
Harold Baker
S/V Lucky Duck
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan Michigan - Lake Huron
1989 C-36 mkI TR/WK M25XP
Don't feel bad, Harold. I will tell you that we are taking aggressive steps to replace the tools, since finding the existing ones is taking too long.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/