Baseline for Lucky is 141. In the current configuration we adjust to 165.

I am 144...tall rig, fin keel, 145 headsail (no changes during the race or series), 3 blade fixed.

Bill how do you adjust to 165?

[QUOTE=jmontani;3968]I am 144...tall rig, fin keel, 145 headsail (no changes), 3 blade fixed.

Bill how do you adjust to 165?[/QUOTE]

Below is the adjustment table for us. I have a roller jib with UV strip good for 12 seconds and Inboard with 3 blade fixed prop which gives me another 12 seconds. Total of 24 seconds added to 141 = 165 PHRF.

Adjustments to PHRF Rating, Non-Spin Fleets -- Add 6-12 Seconds per mile to base PHRF for:
(1) Boat with roller furling jib - add 6 seconds per mile;
(2) Boat with roller furling jib and UV cover - add 12 seconds per mile;
(3) Boat with inboard engine and a 2-bladed fixed prop - add 6 seconds per mile;
(4) Boat with inboard engine and a 3-bladed fixed prop - add 12 seconds per mile;
(5) Boat with in-mast furling - add 12 seconds per mile.

Our club is not nearly as forgiving...

Our Club uses a 138 baseline for my boat.

They make the following adjustments...

1.3.1. Maximum headsail LP 125%, add 6.
1.3.2. Roller furling headsail as the only headsail, add 3. (no sail changes - no mention of UV covers)
1.3.3. Roller furling main, add 3.
1.3.4. For a fixed blade (non-optimized) propeller, add 3. (no mention of blades)
1.3.5. Headsails greater than 155% and double headsails are prohibited in the Cruising Sails classes, except boats equipped with factory cutter rigs are allowed to fly double headsails.

Jack

Do you have a PHRF committee that meets every year to go through the fleet and make adjustments? If we have 1 boat that consistantly stomps the field, the committee will make adjustments to even the playing field.

This is an excerpt from the HCYC web site on how the Canyon Lake PHRF times are set. I was surprised to see that Lake Texoma was not included in this. I would have thought we had similar conditions and racing.

1. How do we arrive at the ratings used on Canyon Lake?
Every yacht club that puts on races sends the numbers that they have assigned to each boat to US Sailing. They state the number assigned, the number of boats of that type racing and their length of experience at that rating. These are all collated by US Sailing and published as a list of “areas” for each particular boat – listed in alphabetical order.
We now have some 20 years of experience rating boats on the lake and obviously, have our own numbers. If a boat comes to race to which we have never assigned a rating, then we use the average of six sailing venues around the country which have similar conditions to our lake, and who run similar type races. The areas which we use are Lake Travis, Lake Lanier, Gulf PHRF, Galveston Bay, Fort Worth and Detroit.

It looks like you are using some form of the "Golf Handicap" system. [url]http://offshore.ussailing.org/PHRF/Golf_Handicapps.htm[/url]

On very rare occasions do we adjust. I think I have seen it twice since 1997.

Our club does not adjust handicaps beyond the adjustment table. We usually have a pretty good spread on folks that win series and individual regattas. No doubt that if the wind is light, you have a pretty safe bet on who is going to be at the top that day. Same in rough conditions.

We have had those discussions but some think that it can become a slippery slope. Some of the questions raised (I think that some are valid) in our club are...

Where is the line when you are no longer adjusting the rating of the boat, and you are starting to adjust the rating of the sailor's ability?

Is the boat truly "race ready?" In my case that answer is sometimes "no." My tanks may be topped full, the bottom may be dirty, the dodger is on top of the boat, the rig isn't tuned for that day's conditions, etc. I know that these are things I can change/remove, are not subject to the design of the boat, and can impact performance.

I have compassion for the person or committee that rates boats. Most of the people are rarely happy with them. It is still a pretty good system given all the variables.

I think I posted this before, but in case I did not here is the rating for Caprice entered in the True Cruising Class by the SouthWest Florida PHRF Rating Organization.

147 Base Rating
26 for Non-Spinnaker
12 3 blade fixed prop
9 roller furling
6 Dacron sails
7 Bulk Allowence (Second anchor with chains etc)

207 TOTAL HANDICAP

They race you against boats with spinnakers? Wow.

We don't race non-spinnakers against spinnaker boats. We don't even race non-spinnaker boats against true cruising boats either. I don't understand how our boats are handicapped. All I do know is everybody complains about handicaps.

Do any of you have a C36 ONE DESIGN racing group?

Here on San Francisco Bay, our C34 Fleet 1 has, over the years, had always enough racers to constitute a one design fleet WITHIN many YRA races: summer Inter Club Series, winter Golden Gate Yacht Club Seaweed Soup regattas (both are monthly seasonal series, six or so races), the once a year Rites of Spring Race a double or singlehanded event, and then we hold our own September C34 Regatta.

We have developed our own C34 ratings which work very well for the mix of equipment on the boats (props, jib sizes and methods of tacking the foot, etc.) which have worked out very well over the last 20+ years. A number of years ago we split both the Fleet 1 yearly races and the C34 Nationals (which we usually hold here) into separate cruising and racing divisions.

These PHRF #s are different than those used by the local YRA if you choose to race your boat individually outside a C34 one design fleet where there are enough of us to make up a separate class and start within other larger race groups.

We don't. There are only 2 C36 (both Mk I) on the entire lake.

In fact, there are only 3 boats larger on the lake. 2 Hunter 37.5 and 1 C&C 37. In 3 years I have never seen the C&C leave the slip.

Got my 2010 PHRF-NW certificate yesterday. Rating is 174.

"Evergreen Dreams" is a '95, wing keel, standard rig with a base rating of 165.
The code is 4355 which indicates +3 for a headsail under 155, +6 for an undersized spinnaker, no change for a standard size main and no change for a 3 blade max prop.

[QUOTE=wfahey;4010] In 3 years I have never seen the C&C leave the slip.[/QUOTE]

I have to eat those words now. It is out of the slip. Sitting on a trailer in the maint yard.

Good news, my rating appeal was approved changeing my base rating from 135 to 141. We will be racing with a rating of 138

I am wondering why so many differnet base handi caps
my base here in New England

base 132
prop +9 (3 blade sailor campbell)
recreational ADJ +6

RACING HANDICAP 147
CRUISING HANDICAP 167