The boat is hauled out for a CopperCoat bottom job. Had the mast pulled to replace standing rigging, original I believe (why isn't a date stamp included?). At the mast partners the PO had injected silicone to simulate "Spartite". I am thinking of putting back in wedges, rubber or wood but have no idea what they should look like, or how many there should be. Anybody have some dimensions or other illuminating info?
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Alex H.
SV Alexanne, 1985 #432 SR
SF Marina Bay YH
Last week I installed new wedges in my partners. I got two packs of about 20 each recycled wood-plastic composite construction shims from Ace Hardware. I made wedges of varying thicknesses as needed by taping them together. The shims come with break spots so you can snap off the excess below and above after you're done. I have a package of Spartite waiting to use but was in a hurry so I got these shims for about $4 per pack. Don't think the Spartite is going to be used!
Nick Tonkin
*Former* Website Administrator, C36/375IA
*Former* owner, C36 tr/fk #255, Santa Barbara, CA
http://rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
I have been giving thought to the continuous.....there was a recent post on this
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
I used the Rig-Rite continuous rubber mast wedge on my C34. It was a good product, but it was compromised in my application because the vang attachment in the mast track was too low to the deck to allow the wedge to fit properly there. So I had to position the joint there and caulk the heck out of it. It did work, but check fit issues before you buy.
When I pulled the mast, I replaced it with Spartite, which was perfect.
Joe & Patti Worth
"Tehani"
1999 C36 MKII #1810
Atlantic Highlands, NJ
I have to replace my mast wedges and going with the Rig Rite rubber wedges.
When putting the mast boot on, what sealant did you use to seal the top of he mast boot to the mast? The guy at West Marine is recommending Boatlife LifeSeal but I'm worried that might be too adhesive and a silicon sealant would be better. There will be mechanical fasteners holding the mast boot on - this is just to seal. Would like to be able to easily remove the mast boot in the future - but want a good seal while its on!
Thanks
Jeremy
Jeremy Westerman
"Odette", 2005 Catalina 36 Mk II, #2213
Benicia, CA
After a rigger put some in which failed, I used the Ace Hardware shims, per what Nick says above. I put a large hose clamp around them to hold them in place when the mast bends over one way or another a few millimeters. Cheap and effective so far.
Have tried several ideas but I haven't yet found an easy, effective way to stop the rain drips though. Does the spartite take care of that?
Ben Ethridge
Miami, FL
1984 MK1 Hull# 263
What I have done as far as the boot is use the silicon rubber tape that fuses to itself without glue. I first use the clamp at the top and bottom than use the tape around the top and cover the clamp. The bottom is optional and needs to be removed at haul out when they remove the mast. The boot is stored on the mast so I do not undo the top. Where the boom vang attaches at the bottom I use silicone to seal and keep the rain out.
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
Call me crazy, but I'm wondering if wedges are even necessary? If your rigging is tensioned properly including (on my '91) the turnbuckle inside the cabin connecting the mast just below the deck to the fitting in the ceiling and your boot is flexible, even under heavy conditions the bend in the mast at that point is going to be minimal, and even if it reaches the side of the through-deck fitting (which would be very tough given the turnbuckle tensioning the mast aft under the deck) it seems to me that a half inch+ of flex is merely going to pull the boot around a bit?
Note re: through-deck leaks: my solution to the leaking around the boot was to undo the two hose clamps top and bottom, slide the boot up about 2 inches and put a thick bead of silicone around the mast at the point where the top of the collar sits normally, then slide the boot back down and reclamp it. The silicone is flexible and easy to remove/scrape off, and with a bit more on the bolts holes that attach the fitting for the vang, I largely eliminated the leak.
HOWEVER, in certain weather conditions/temps there is a lot of condensation that builds up inside the mast collar due to the aluminum mast being cold below deck and the sun heating up the white rubber boot. To address this I bought a can of the white water-based expanding foam now available at most big box and small hardware stores and filled the entire space (again, I am not using mast wedges, perhaps foolishly...) with this foam. Once it dries overnight, I just used a sharp knife to trim the underside flat against the ceiling. No more condensation or leaks, and the water-based foam simply scrapes off cleanly when I lift out the mast with the crane.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
The turnbuckle on the inside of the boat is to prevent "oil-canning" of the deck, not to stabilize the mast in the partners. Three major reasons for wedging:
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
Excellent input, Nick. Many thanks. I now understand what to call the 'thru-hull mast ring' (partners), too!
Still don't understand why that turnbuckle pulling downward on the underside of the deck helps prevent oil-canning. I'm guessing that flex from the spreaders down thru the chain plates might cause upward convex pressure on the deck under high loads?
I'll wedge the mast in the spring. I suspect I'll still be able to inject the water-based expanding foam between/around them if the condensation is still an issue.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
[quote=KevinLenard]Still don't understand why that turnbuckle pulling downward on the underside of the deck helps prevent oil-canning. I'm guessing that flex from the spreaders down thru the chain plates might cause upward convex pressure on the deck under high loads?
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Almost all of the blocks that are near the mast partner (halyards, sheets, etc) are trying to pull the deck up. The turnbuckle counteracts this upward pull by linking the deck to the mast, which is being pulled down by the stays and shrouds. Almost all boats have some mechanism here. Some have a pin that goes through the mast at the partners, some have a separate tierod that connects the deck to the keel. For deck-stepped masts, the deck is held between the compression post and the base of the mast, so you won't find an extra gadget here.
That turnbuckle is serving the same purpose as the tierods that are on the inside of your boat, located below each of your lowers. These tierods are exerting a downward pull to counteract the upward pull of the lowers because the lowers exert a downward pull on the mast in order to keep it in column.
BTW, no need to go crazy on tightening the turnbuckle. Once the rig is tensions and there's no load on the blocks, then just hand tighten and then a half a turn tighter.
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
MORE important detailed rigging info! Thanks for taking the time, Nick. That odd turnbuckle suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
MORE important detailed rigging info! Thanks for taking the time, Nick. That odd turnbuckle suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada
I went for years without mast partners (wedges or whatever). I couldn't see a reason for them.
When I started racing I brought in a rigger to look over my setup. He said the same thing Nick says above. The decrease in mast bend after the wedges went in, made the boat point better upwind in addition to reducing the "point-loading" on the base of the mast. Once I understood what the rigger was talking about (and he had to draw it out on paper) it all made sense and I realized that's a lot of pressure on one tiny spot.
I got cheap (but strong) plastic shims at Ace Hardware (on someone's recommendation on this forum - another post). I put them in from the bottom and then put a stainless steel band clamp around them to keep them from falling out when the mast tries to bend. Works great so far.
Ben Ethridge
Miami, FL
1984 MK1 Hull# 263
Thanks, Ben! I'll be shopping at the boat show and the hardware stores thru winter for a wedge solution.
Kevin Lenard
"Firefly"
'91 C-36 Mk. "1.5" Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #1120, Universal M-35 original (not "A" or "B")
CBYC, Scarborough, Lake Ontario, Canada