hi all
I need to get my boat ready for offshore, as I might be moving to Singapore and that implies 1600nm of open waters :):):):)
l could not find any technical articles on this unfortunately
What to prepare on our boats?
Which life raft suits our boats the best? location?
How do I know if an ssb radio is good enough?
are all ssb ocean worth it? (I have no clue at all)
Grab bags?
Epirb recommendations?
AIS receiver is enough or transponder is advisable?
how do you get to send email?
anything really you might think about will be extremely appreciated
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Hi Andres,
Interesting choice of things to think about upgrading for a blue-water voyage. Most of your 'upgrades' are really safety additions in the event things go terribly wrong. Not bad, of course, but I'd first consider actual structural improvements to a boat to make it more blue-water-ready.
For our boat, those types of things would likely include:
1. Upgrade of all standing wire rigging. Certainly if it hasn't been done before (for your vintage boat). At the time, I'd probably also upgrade to heavier wire.
2. Increased tankage (water and fuel).
3. Any needed sails (including a storm jib)
4. I'd think hard about my hatches and ports as well. Leaking? How are the closures?
5. Spares: autopilot, steering cable. Rudder?
6. Probably a bunch of other bits 'n' bobs to consider as well...
Since it really sounds like you're just trying to move the boat, rather than prep for long-term blue-water cruising, I would personally just have it shipped, assuming you have a company around there that does that.
-J
Josh McElwee
Sailing from East Greenwich, RI
2000 C36 MKII, M35B, "Chinook", Hull#1900
hi Josh
i must admit that it never crossed my mind doing the rigging nor the tanks...I'm a newbie....
I was just thinking on carrying jerry cans or the pvc equivalent
what would be the recommended size of the wire?
yes, I am trying to get a quotation for shipping the boat, but I also want to calculate the cost of the upgrades needed
Thanks
regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Just food for thought, but I'd spend time on your fuel system - especially on the interior condition of your diesel tank.
Plant growth, which grows in the tank and breaks loose in rough water, can and will clog filters thereby killing your engine.
When I bought my boat, I cut two holes - after draining the tank and vacuuming out the diesel fuel - in the top of the fuel tank and clean the entire inside of the tank. It was a mess with algae growth; almost half and inch think. I clean it all out. Made inspection plates and threaded hole the top of the tank, and installed the plates with pliable non-hardening sealant. No leaks as of yet.
I also replaced all the fuel lines and filters.
I motored 444nm without a hiccup from the engine.
Time and energy well spent.
The new tank supplied by Catalina Direct come with custom inspection ports all ready form the factory - and are USCG approved:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2936_800/fuel-tank-32-ga...
Mitch
1986 Catalina 36 MKI
S/V "Blessing"
Kema, TX
Hull: #584
M25 w/ Oberdorfer Conversion
thanks Mitch
I'll look into it
regards
andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Andres,
Search this site. There is at least one C36 owner who circumnavigated. Craig somebody, in Seattle. Larry Brandt reported here about a conversation he had with him about upgrades. The guy talked to Gerry Douglas the designer of the C36, and he specifically said not to increase the rigging size as it is already oversized. Replace? For sure.
The only major adjustment the circumnavigator made was to add two extra cockpit drains, and he said it didn't really matter IIRC.
There's also a famous story about a C36 that was abandoned just 100 miles off LA heading for Hawai'i -- they did a lot of things wrong but there are still some lessons. E.g. they talked about taking on water and the bilge pumps not being able to reach it because the boat was so heeled. I have seen that myself under normal sailing conditions and I now have a small bilge pump on a stick, wires with crocodile clips, that I can deploy and poke into any corner of the boat as needed. I just dump any water into the cockpit. There's not much but the central bilge pumps are left high and dry on a heel.
I'd say you are on the right track with emphasizing safety equipment.
- nick
Nick Tonkin
*Former* Website Administrator, C36/375IA
*Former* owner, C36 tr/fk #255, Santa Barbara, CA
Hi Nick
Great idea on the small bilge pump on the stick.
I'll get one of those ASAP, even if I just ship the boat there.
I'll look for those posts and see what I can find
The shopping list is getting expansive, to the point that it would be cheaper to ship the boat there. But anyway, in the long term the plans are still blue water sailing up to Thailand, so it will give me the time to get it all ready.
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
I would think some of this is dependent on timing... Have you planned this voyage based on the monsoons (wind direction and strength) in the South China Sea? If you hit the SW/SE monsoon, you're beating the whole time but winds are more moderate. The northerly monsoons would give you more favorable wind direction but they can be... stronger sailing weather than I would want to be out in.
David
s/v Portmanteau
Hull #2133 -- 2003 MKII
Seattle, WA
You should do a thorough inspection of the boat, beyond what a surveyor will or might do. This includes all standing & running rigging, sails, packing glands, through hulls, rudder and rig tension. If you are mostly near shore (ie less than 80 miles from shore) then SSB is a nice to have but expensive. The VHF will probably do fine. There has been a lot of discussion on life rafts over the years, so you need to do some research on this. The engine needs to be thoroughly checked including the exhaust hoses, the exhaust riser and mixing elbow. All engine/fuel filters need to be fresh at the start of the voyage and have sufficient spares. Service everything, engine, transmission, blocks, masthead sheaves etc. Other useful spares include a raw water pump, impellers, a spare halyard and some running rigging, snatch blocks, replacement bulbs etc. I carried a spare fresh water pump, a macerator, bilge pumps & hose, a full set of engine hoses among many other items, use common sense on what other spares you need . Make sure emergency signals are still valid. I also carried six 5 Gallon diesel cans. All fuel was filtered through a WM Baja type filter. In three years of cruising in Mexico we were never more than 85 miles offshore but did encounter heavy weather a few times. We had no AIS but had Radar. We did opt to purchase a Viking 4 person off-shore life raft and mounted it on the foredeck just ahead of the mast. You should have an EPIRB and a grab bag. There is much more I could say about the preparation and the reality of distance sailing, unfortunately, too much to include here. What I have given here, is just a sample of the thought and planning that goes towards a safe and worry free trip.
John Meyer
Hilbre 2135
John Meyer
Hilbre
C36 MKll, Hull 2135
Cabrillo Marina, San Pedro, CA
Thanks guys, the more I read into it the more obvious it seems that getting the boat ready for an offshore passage is not something to organize over a couple of weeks....
I am also asking for quotes on shipping the boat, but they have asked me for the length of the mast and if the mast can be taken apart, i.e. 2 pieces. Is that possible?
What is the length of the mast? If anyone of you know the standard length great, else I'll go over to the boat next week and measure
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Andres, the mast length will be in the owner's manual in the Members' Technical Articles section.
Nick Tonkin
*Former* Website Administrator, C36/375IA
*Former* owner, C36 tr/fk #255, Santa Barbara, CA
Thanks Nick
Found it, page 21, states that the mast length is 50'2" for the standard rig, and 52'2" for the tall rig.
But I failed to see whether it's built of one piece or if it is 2 sections interconnected.
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
The mast is one piece.
2000 C36 MKII 1825
What is the height of the Mast "above" the water level?
Bob & Maggie B. Hobby Time 1999 C36 MK II TM/Wing Hull #1796 Warwick, RI
Does any one know why the made the MK 2 so much shorter than the MK 1 ?
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Bill,
???????????? Just about every dimension is the same between the MkI and MkII. Not sure what you are asking.
Rob,
This has been discussed before, but I can't remember if it was on the list server or in the forums. The mast step is well below the water line, and the complete mast (including masthead, lights, and wind instruments) is longer than the mast extrusion, soooooo....... If I remember the last conversation, I think the conclusion was that the height of the masthead above the water was roughly the same as the mast extrusion. To that height you should add any antennae. Hope this makes sense.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Tom
if you go to the manual for the Mark 2 the height above water line is 52 feet 2 inches . The manual for the Mark 1 shows 56 feet 6 inches. These are for the tall rig as that is what I have and in my book it shows both of these numbers in different places,
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Bill,
If that's what it says for the MkI, it's a mistake. Both the MkI and MkII have the same air draft and use the same mast extrusions.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
BTW, for shipping the mast, length above the waterline is likely not what the transport company is asking for. They are asking for the extrusion length to see if it will fit onto whatever rack they have for the job. Andre's posting of 50'2" for the standard rig and 52'2" for the tall rig is the data to use.
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
It seems that they want to charge for two containers as the mast cannot be split in half :(
Regards
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Not everything ships in containers. Not sure if you have a quote but shipping is expensive. I considered shipping Hilbre from Manzanillo to Victoria, Canada earlier this years but the $16,000+ quote without insurance, special handling or Port Agent cost put me off. It was one plan I had considered to reposition Hilbre for an Alaska Cruise in 2015. There are shippers who will freight a boat with its mast in place on their deck. The yacht supports are welded to the deck and heavily strapped. I know two people who have done this and they were happy with the process. You may want to do some more research or talk to a specialist shipping broker who deals with shipping yachts. They may be able to point you in the right direction or offer other suggestions. Try Googling Yacht Transports, there is a service from Hong Kong to Thailand however, it may not fit your timeframe.
Hope this helps
John Meyer
John Meyer
Hilbre
C36 MKll, Hull 2135
Cabrillo Marina, San Pedro, CA
Thanks
Yes, I am getting quotes for the shipping.
So far I have been told that to get crew to sail it there would cost 12K USD...
Hope shipping it will be cheaper....
Regards
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/
Andres, I have a couple comments:
1) Why do you think that you need to make this a 1600 NM trip? Of course you want the boat to be safe for an open ocean voyage of 160 NM or 1600 NM, and there should be no difference in that. But the voyage from HK to SIN could be broken into short legs of a couple days each, don't you think? Wouldn't Hainan Island and the Vietnamese coast be available to you?
2) I might be interested in doing this trip for you at no charge if my expenses were covered. It would put my planned 2015 Alaska trip on hold, but subject to a) my assessment of the serviceability of the vessel and b) suitable results from my researching the piracy risk along that route, I might do it. Would need one trustworthy crewman, of course.
I worked out of HK for three years '78 through '80, and lived in Singapore for 10 months in '88 . Met my [German] wife there, in fact. I've been through two typhoons in HK and one in Manila and so have a serious appreciation for seasonal weather in the South China Sea. Note, though, that I wouldn't move anyone's boat over there, especially to Singapore, without having the cops run a drug dog through it.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Wow,that is very cool Larry..sorely tempted to sign on as crew
"Sailing Still" 1990 C36 M25 wing
Sail Canada/Transport Canada training
Gibsons Harbour BC
www.landsendbc.ca
Hi Larry
Thanks for the offering, one of the options we are considering is moving the boat in legs via Philippines, the problem would be to find enough ppl for all the legs. So far I have 4 season sailors with offshore experience willing to take time of work and do the trip, but my concern would be to secure people for all the legs (I need to cone with a clear plan, but one of the main problems I have is that I still need to confirm the job offer, something that it is taking much longer than expected.
But thanks for the offering and rest assured that once I have a better idea I'll let you know.
Regards
Andres
Andres & Arantzazu
S/V "Carpe Diem"
Hull: 1773
1999 C36 mkII
Hong Kong
http://www.abclubhk.com/