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Engine rebuild

I have an 83 Catalina 36 with a Universal 25 engine, I think the rings are shot, no compression, I'm wondering if anyone can point e in the right direction to either finding rebuild kits, companies to do it in south Florida, or if purchasing a newer model, short block or compete engine is better.
I think it is a Kubota engine, not sure though, I've rebuild chevys and Fords but never a diesel
Also if I get a new motor, Yanmar or something else I assume I would need to change other marine parts on the boat, any advice would help.

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Yachtlink,

Or what ever your name is.

Back in 2008, a very active member with a real name of Steve Frost ,  took us all on an adventure of rebuilding his engine.

I would imagine Steve's article would be quite helpful to you.
 
You can search for "Steve Frost" and look on page 8.  Or follow this link https://www.catalina36.org/members/technical/maintenance/m25xp-engine-ov...

Bill Matley
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan, Michigan
Lakes Huron, Michigan,
Canadian North Channel
"Spirit of Aloha" Hull #1252

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Sorry for that, my name is Dan Kelly, new to the list and new to the boat, I have proceeded to dismantle the engine and hope to get this done while it is still in the boat,

Dan Kelly

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Where are you Dan ?

Bill

Bill Dolan 1990 Catalina C-36 MKI - Hull #1041  'Williwaw'
Std. Rig, Walk Through, Wing Keel
M35, Oberdorfer Conversion,
Home Waters; Charlotte  Harbor & The Gulf Islands of Florida
'You are never out of work if you own a boat'

 

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Welcome to the forum Dan.

Bill Matley
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan, Michigan
Lakes Huron, Michigan,
Canadian North Channel
"Spirit of Aloha" Hull #1252

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I am in Fort Lauderdale Florida

Dan Kelly

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Dan,

I did this exact same rebuild on the same engine (assume Universal M25) last year.  I bought my rebuild kit from Kumar (​http://www.kumarbrosusa.com/kubota/overhaul-kit-d850-std-with-liners.html) and everything fit perfect.  At ~$650, its a pretty economical way of extending the life of your engine.  For the sake of transparency, I am a licenesed engineering marine officer that went to school and worked on ships but I will say it is a pretty simple rebuild.  It took me two weekends which also included painting the engine.  For painting, I highly reommend the Por system kit (http://www.por15.com/ENGINE-PAINTING-KIT_p_49.html), the results were incredible.

I would suggest taking pictures as you go as some of the maintenance manual diagram are not as clear as they could be.  See attached pictures for before and after.
 

Matthew Schubert
S/V Mary Lynne  #436
Annapolis/Newport
1985 C-36 M25XPB

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Matt,
This looks like you may have a good deal of the work done and pictures to go with it. Any possibility you could contribute an article to Mainsheet and or technical section for future reference?

Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine

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I rebuilt my Engine (M25)with parts from Kumar (pistons, rings, bearings etc as well as a new head).  What was your experience with Kumar.  The head I got was defective (oil gallery leaked into the water jacket) they replaced with no issue.  One thing I noticed was a port on the head forward of #1 piston on the intake side.  What is that port for?

How has your engine stood up after the rebuild?

I also replaced the Alternator bracket, and added the Serpentine kit from Electromaax.  Wiring upgrade is next

Thanks
Greg

Greg Perkins
Port Orchard, WA
1986 Catalina 36
Sail #528

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Matt,
Who did you get the pulley kit from?

Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine

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I am in the midst of putting a new M25xpb in my boat so I have limited time to write an article about the rebuild but hopefully this summer I can put something together.  Note that my m25 rebuild went great and the engine was running great but an opportunity for a free brand new engine fell in my lap and could not pass it up.  Sold the M25 rebuilt engine to a good home.

As for the pulley kit, I got it from Electromaxx.  The serpentine belt runs a 140 Amp electromaxx alternator.  It really has changed the way my family cruises.  I am putting together an article on the pulley, alternator, and voltage regulator installation now on the new engine.  The voltage regulator will be electromaxx's new one which has the added advantage of quickly and remotely (no magnetic reed switches) lowering the charge rate when you need a bit more power out of the engine while you are charging.  Happy to answer any questions out there.

Matthew Schubert
S/V Mary Lynne  #436
Annapolis/Newport
1985 C-36 M25XPB

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I'm curious how hard it is to align the engine to the prop shaft, when you get to that point.  I've read a few articles about this step.

Ben Ethridge
Miami, FL
1984 MK1 Hull# 263

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I just separated it, lifted the engine and cleaned up the engine and space.
It cam off quite easy, very rusted but bolts came off good.
I bought a Kumar kit for 521.00, I bought a come along at Harbor Freight for 20.00, used double 2x4's and lifted it straight up, 
I am wondering if anyone,maybe Steve would recommedn replacing all the freeze plugs and oil plugs, their not too expensive but the dealer told me I don't have to if they are not rusted, I haven't done this since my vette back in the 80's so need to remember how to get them out, I think it was a chisel and hammer, any advice would help.

Also I am wondering if I need to mess with the timing if I don't take any gears off, if I rotate the crank to put pistons on and nit mess with the cam and crank timing, I took the injector pump off and put it back on, seems it works off a cam also, I'm new to Diesel engines.

Thanks
Dan Kelly

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Ben, I found this from another website thread and thought you may/might be interested ?

How do I align my engine?
Universal inboard marine engines should be installed so that the engine
mounts are securely attached using the correct fasteners, aligned with the
propeller shaft to a tolerance of .05 mm (.002 in) per inch of shaft flange
diameter, measured at the engine and propeller shaft flange face, with the
propeller shaft aligned and centered with the propeller shaft strut cutlass
bearing and stern tube. During adjustment any flexible (ie rubber) engine
mounts should be extended using pry bars or wedges to bring the engine into
the same position it will be when the boat is under power at normal cruising
speed. To determine engine mount deflection position under power, measure
the position of the engine close to each mount with the engine stopped, and
then measure it again under power (you can do this tied to the dock) using a
dial gauge or fixed pointer. Excessive deflection of the engine under power
may mean the engine mounts are loose or the flexible engine mount material
is worn out.
When aligning the engine, adjust the alignment with the 2 rear engine mounts
and 1 forward mount (for V drive engines adjust 1 rear engine mount and 2
forward mounts), leaving the 4th mount loose until the alignment is correct.
Take up the clearance on the 4th mount with the lower adjusting nut or
shims. Then tighten all 4 mount top nuts. This will prevent the engine
block/pan from being twisted (and possibly cracked) during final tightening
of the mount nuts. If the alignment changes when the top nuts are tightened,
the 4th mount clearance was adjusted either too much or not enough. Engine
mount deflection and engine alignment should be checked once per year, as
well as whenever the boat has been lifted from the water, and mounts
replaced or tightened and alignment adjusted as required. Always use
“shakeproof” lock washers on engine mount nuts
 

Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine

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To answer Dan's question, no, you should not need to mess with the timing.

To help provide an answer to the alignment question, I created a template from 1/4" plywood to locate and install the motor mounts for the new M25XPB that I am currently installing.  I used AutoCAD to create a drawing including all of Universal's dimensions and then transferred them to the plywood.  I mad sure to base everything about a centerline including a point that was cutout at the shaft coupling.  This provided confidence that the engine would have atleast a chance of being perfectly aligned transversely.  Note I only had to do this because the M25XPB has different motor mount locations as compared to my M25.  I have attached a picture for reference.

I also confirm I used the exact same technigue as shown in the other picture for removing and installing the engine.  I have done it twice and both times solo.  It takes some planning but is a relatively simple process.

Matthew Schubert
S/V Mary Lynne  #436
Annapolis/Newport
1985 C-36 M25XPB

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The head is cracked, what a nice holiday gift! I inspected the block and it looks OK so I ordered a new head from Kumar for 516.00 free shipping, it was going to cost me 300.00 for the valve job anyway so 516.00 isn't bad for getting it new.

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Wow! Engine align sounds complicated...but thanks for posting.

Ben Ethridge
Miami, FL
1984 MK1 Hull# 263

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