Thanks. The manual shows a pair of winches installed aft of the primaries, aft of the the two cleats on the cockpit coaming. I was wondering what size Catalina specs, and what people might be installing there.
In using the primaries for the spinnaker sheets, how would one swap the downwind sheets if you hoist a gennaker before the jib?
If you want/need to hoist a spinnaker before furling the jib, then you cannot use the primary winches. That falls into the category of "serious spinnaker user."
Good luck.
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Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
I race on a J-109, which is just shy of 36' LOA but with more sail area than our C36s. We always set the spinnaker (asym) before furling the genoa. We use the cabin-top winches for the two spinnaker sheets, leaving the primaries for the genoa. The winches are all similar size (probably exactly the same) as ours. Of course, it helps to have the dodger removed, but any serious racer does that anyway!
Thanks, Joe. I'm not sure what you mean by "the winches are all similar size" - I guess you mean your secondaries are probably the same size as C36 secondaries? That would be 16's, then.
I asked this because I will be mounting a winch on the port side, about where Catalina's drawings show the "optional spinnaker equipment" winch location. I'm putting a winch there for the headsail furling line, as there are times it's a bear to pull, and the Profurl is rated for reefing under load via a winch. I originally ordered a Lewmar 14 self tailer, but the furling line is a the max line size for that winch. Then I thought that it might serve a dual purpose if I ever get a cruising spinnaker, and i could get another for the starboard side; so I'd want a winch sized appropriately for that purpose. So, I ordered a 16, for which the furling line is the min line size. If the 16 is the right size for spinnaker sheets I'm all set.
Or maybe the spinnaker sheet winches should be 48's like for the jib sheets? On the Catalina drawings they looks smaller, though.
[QUOTE=deising;19432]Maybe serious users of spinnakers have added extra winches, but I believe most have made do with the primary Genoa winches. Those are #48 on our boat.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Do you think a 48 is necessary for spinnaker sheets? Would 16's be too small?
[QUOTE=jviss;19469]Thanks. Do you think a 48 is necessary for spinnaker sheets? Would 16's be too small?
jv[/QUOTE]
I am really not the best person to answer. I know the loads on a big chute with moderate wind pressure can get quite high. I think I would be OK with a 30 or so, but I doubt I would try a 16.
Again, just an opinion.
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Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Have had other boats with spinnaker winches mounted on the coaming aft of the primaries. All have been the non-self-tailing variety and smaller than the headsail sheet winches.
My 1987 model uses 2-speed self-tailing Lewmar 46s for the primaries and 2-speed Lewmar 40s for the spinnaker. I singlehand and do not fly the conventional poled spinnaker on this boat, so have no input as to the loads on the sheets.
The picture shows the winches and the furling line led to a ratchet block with cam cleat mounted on the genoa track. When furling the headsail, I bear off and either blank the genoa with the main, or otherwise take the tension off the sheet, before furling the sail. Have never had to take the furling line to a winch, but then I don't race - so maybe those folks do things differently.
Hope this helps.
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Jack Heaston
1987 C36 Mk I #692
Fin Keel, Std Rig, Rocna 15
Silent Passage, M25 XPB Repower
Jack,
What is that which you have attached behind the coming box?
—
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
Gary
If you're not just pulling my leg, that is what the Autohelm 4000 control looked like back in the late 80s. It doesn't interface with NEMA nothing, but it will hold a course and, unlike that POS Raymarine currently offers, does not need continual recalibrating or interminable timed 360s to get it to work.
Don't use it much except for setting, striking and reefing the main, but can sit under the dodger in the rain and stay dry with the wired remote ticking small rudder adjustments in Standby mode.
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Jack Heaston
1987 C36 Mk I #692
Fin Keel, Std Rig, Rocna 15
Silent Passage, M25 XPB Repower
I put Lewmar 40s on for spin sheet winches. I wish I'd gone a size bigger, but I do run over sized spinnakers off an Express 37. I'd call the 40's 'Adequate' as opposed to 'ideal'.
Maybe serious users of spinnakers have added extra winches, but I believe most have made do with the primary Genoa winches. Those are #48 on our boat.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Thanks. The manual shows a pair of winches installed aft of the primaries, aft of the the two cleats on the cockpit coaming. I was wondering what size Catalina specs, and what people might be installing there.
In using the primaries for the spinnaker sheets, how would one swap the downwind sheets if you hoist a gennaker before the jib?
jv,
If you want/need to hoist a spinnaker before furling the jib, then you cannot use the primary winches. That falls into the category of "serious spinnaker user."
Good luck.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
I race on a J-109, which is just shy of 36' LOA but with more sail area than our C36s. We always set the spinnaker (asym) before furling the genoa. We use the cabin-top winches for the two spinnaker sheets, leaving the primaries for the genoa. The winches are all similar size (probably exactly the same) as ours. Of course, it helps to have the dodger removed, but any serious racer does that anyway!
Joe & Patti Worth
"Tehani"
1999 C36 MKII #1810
Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Thanks, Joe. I'm not sure what you mean by "the winches are all similar size" - I guess you mean your secondaries are probably the same size as C36 secondaries? That would be 16's, then.
I asked this because I will be mounting a winch on the port side, about where Catalina's drawings show the "optional spinnaker equipment" winch location. I'm putting a winch there for the headsail furling line, as there are times it's a bear to pull, and the Profurl is rated for reefing under load via a winch. I originally ordered a Lewmar 14 self tailer, but the furling line is a the max line size for that winch. Then I thought that it might serve a dual purpose if I ever get a cruising spinnaker, and i could get another for the starboard side; so I'd want a winch sized appropriately for that purpose. So, I ordered a 16, for which the furling line is the min line size. If the 16 is the right size for spinnaker sheets I'm all set.
Or maybe the spinnaker sheet winches should be 48's like for the jib sheets? On the Catalina drawings they looks smaller, though.
And ideas?
[QUOTE=deising;19432]Maybe serious users of spinnakers have added extra winches, but I believe most have made do with the primary Genoa winches. Those are #48 on our boat.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Do you think a 48 is necessary for spinnaker sheets? Would 16's be too small?
jv
[QUOTE=jviss;19469]Thanks. Do you think a 48 is necessary for spinnaker sheets? Would 16's be too small?
jv[/QUOTE]
I am really not the best person to answer. I know the loads on a big chute with moderate wind pressure can get quite high. I think I would be OK with a 30 or so, but I doubt I would try a 16.
Again, just an opinion.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Have had other boats with spinnaker winches mounted on the coaming aft of the primaries. All have been the non-self-tailing variety and smaller than the headsail sheet winches.
My 1987 model uses 2-speed self-tailing Lewmar 46s for the primaries and 2-speed Lewmar 40s for the spinnaker. I singlehand and do not fly the conventional poled spinnaker on this boat, so have no input as to the loads on the sheets.
The picture shows the winches and the furling line led to a ratchet block with cam cleat mounted on the genoa track. When furling the headsail, I bear off and either blank the genoa with the main, or otherwise take the tension off the sheet, before furling the sail. Have never had to take the furling line to a winch, but then I don't race - so maybe those folks do things differently.
Hope this helps.
Jack Heaston
1987 C36 Mk I #692
Fin Keel, Std Rig, Rocna 15
Silent Passage, M25 XPB Repower
Jack,
What is that which you have attached behind the coming box?
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
Gary
If you're not just pulling my leg, that is what the Autohelm 4000 control looked like back in the late 80s. It doesn't interface with NEMA nothing, but it will hold a course and, unlike that POS Raymarine currently offers, does not need continual recalibrating or interminable timed 360s to get it to work.
Don't use it much except for setting, striking and reefing the main, but can sit under the dodger in the rain and stay dry with the wired remote ticking small rudder adjustments in Standby mode.
Jack Heaston
1987 C36 Mk I #692
Fin Keel, Std Rig, Rocna 15
Silent Passage, M25 XPB Repower
I put Lewmar 40s on for spin sheet winches. I wish I'd gone a size bigger, but I do run over sized spinnakers off an Express 37. I'd call the 40's 'Adequate' as opposed to 'ideal'.
Jason V
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Thanks, yes, so I guess 16's are too small for those loads.