Hi All...
I'm looking to upgrade my old 30 foot racer-cruiser with a Catalina 36 MKii. I'm fairly sure I want one from 2000 on, but I'm absolutely certain I want a MKii. There are a bunch available in my area, and I'm wondering what C36 specific problems I should be looking for? I have read that the hull/deck joint can be problematic and that chain plates are known to leak.
Also, I'm in New England and thinking I want the tall rig, and I would appreciate any comments about that. I'm also not sure about the keel. My current boat draws 5ft 6 inches and that's been fine, so I'm not concerned about the shallow keel.
Thanks everyone!
That's a tough question. I don't think the C36 MKII has any inherent flaws above and beyond any other sailboats. Yes, some report chainplate leaks, "Catalina smile" at the forward hull/keel joint, leaking openning port gaskets, stress crazing areas- but these seem to be the norm with any older sailboat and make. Any brand engine can have "warts" too. The Universal M35 Universal (on newer C36's) is a Kubota with marine modifications and is a very good engine. The OEM build had a Sherwood raw water pump, which many owners have replaced with Oberdorfer for ease of impellor change. The shaft that drives the pump impellor has a rare tendency to fail- which can be an expensive fix. Universal offered a recall/fix- simple installation of a bearing sleeve which can be performed when the water pump is removed. Some have reported failures with the fix in place. From reading this web site- I would guess a failuer rate of maybe 3-5 reported over 2600 +/- boats, so it shouldn't be a concern. The transmissions tend to be noisier than most of us would like. The OEM anchor well thru-hull is at the waterline and made from Nylon- so it deteriorates from UV. Replacement is recomended.
This web site is an incredable asset for C36 owners- all kinds of mod suggestions, help with repairing things etc.
We've owned a 2005 for the past 4 years and couldn't be happier. We had a C30 prior. The C36 ease of boarding, added room/storage, in-mast furling (providing furling safety from the cockpit), and great engine access, were major improvements over the C30 for our family crusing goals. It's a wonderful, boat.
Paul & Wendy Keyser
"First Light"
Rye NH
2005 C36 MKII #2257
Wing, M35B
Thank you very much! The one I'm going to look at today is a 1999, which is a bit older than I would like but it's well equipped. If it's in good condition (as it is reported to be) I'll be seriously considering it. I'll get a survey of course. I have been doing some research, and it seems anything someone could want is available for these boats. I have sailed on one only once, so I'll want to see how well they sail. I'm hoping for a lot of downwind stability. My current boat is no good for cruising, and even an afternoon sail is a pain. Having sails easily deployed will sure be a welcome change.
I am very happy with my 1999 C36 fin keel. I spent one year looking for one. It seems that after 1999, due to downturn of the economy, Catalina produced affordable versions. That is they cut back on features that was standard on their basic model. You may consider the standard rig rather than tall rig as C36 gets its power from the jib and I use 110% and it is more that what is needed. Of course I am in San Francisco Bay with strong winds in the summer.
Take your time, do not rush.
Sail La Vie 1999 Catalina 36 MKII, M35B-17031, Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA
About Sail La Vie
Great boat. I have 98 tall rig wing keel in New England. If I had to do over I would get fin keel an additional foot of draft shouldn't curtail the cruising grounds too much and I would feel more comfortable around lobster pots and potential groundings. Wing keel exposes the rudder to grounding impacts since both are at about the same depth on wing keel boats.
Enrique
Talisman
1998 36 MK2 Hull #1673
Tall Rig Wing Keel
M35BC engine
Old Saybrook, CT Summer
South Glastonbury, CT Winter
We've been very happy for the past year with our 1999 C36 tall rig, fin keel. As you will read here, the boat is a great couples cruiser, and can be easily single-handed with an autopilot. As with any 15+ year old boat, the individual boat and maintenance is the defining feature. There's nothing particularly troublesome or weak on this vessel that's caused it to wear badly. Some of the things that I have read, but not experienced, are leaky chain plates, fallen keel (Catalina smile), and backed up head vents.
Some design elements that you may want to change: The holding tank vent through the port stanchion (a Catalina exclusive) is a silly design that just plugs up eventually. I replaced mine with a mushroom through-hull below the rub-rail, re-routed the vent hose, and filled the deck hole. The jam cleats for the main sheet are a pain as the line keeps popping out when not on the cabin winch, and I don't see it as a real safety factor. I'll probably replace mine with normal clutches. Mine had under-deck autopilot, so I don't complain about the wheel autopilot that some have problems with. My bilge is leaky (somewhere) despite having a PSS dripless. That's a problem for another day. The holding tank is only about 14 gallons, so limiting if you can't pump out or dump frequently. The other tankage is more than enough. The boat is roomy enough that you can access and work on most problems without being a contortionist.
As noted, the extra 18 inches of depth may affect some anchorage selection, but not really your cruising grounds. Who is going to sail over an 8-foot rock saying, "it's ok because I only draw 4.5 feet"?
Go buy a good, surveyed boat and join the party!
John Parsons
"Water Music" 1999 Catalina 36 Mk II - Hull 1771
Tall Rig, Fin Keel
Bay City, MI, USA
For a New England boat, your best friend will be a moisture meter. Water in the deck core when exposed to repeated freezing and thawing is something to avoid if you can. While rarely a structural issue, leaks into the cabin may occur around fasteners that penetrate the wet core. In addition to the moisture meter, visually check the cabinetry where the cap shroud chain plate tangs are fastened to the inside of the boat. Also look at the tie rod that connects the mast to the underside of the deck, especially the backing on the top of the deck and the mast partner. I once saw a boat where this area of the deck was being depressed due to a failure in the coring. In this case, I did deem it a structural issue.
Once the boat has passed the above, if not already done so, any 15+ year boat is also a candidate for a standing rigging replacement, steering cable replacement, and engine hoses replacement. The failure of these items, while not specific to Catalina, are important to do proactively. These are much less expensive to do before failure and can be a winter project while laid up.
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
Thanks you all for the fantastic comments! I'm going to look at the boat again and will check on all this. I'll let you all know how it works out!
As an update, the 1999 was in excellent condition but I think the seller wanted much too much for it, and we were not able to come to a price. I'm looking at another, and I'll start a different thread about that. Thanks again to everyone who provided this great advice!
Keep going, Phoenix. It's a buyer's market in larger sailboats. If that person wasn't ready to sell now, there are a dozen more C36's out there with motivated sellers. This is one of the largest production runs in history. Also, it costs most of us a couple thousand dollars annually to keep, insure, and store the boat, even if not used. Let us know when you 'join the club'.
John Parsons
"Water Music" 1999 Catalina 36 Mk II - Hull 1771
Tall Rig, Fin Keel
Bay City, MI, USA
I think the best thing you can do is to get as much info as possible on the boat history. Invoices from boat yards, internet searches on the current and previous owners, conversations with others who may know details about the vessel. Feel free to email me at stevesteakley@sbcglobal.net if you need further tips on the process to have a complete boat history in your hands before making an offer.
Steve Steakley
SNOWBALL
1998 C36 #1711
Seattle,WA
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