iPad vs. other tablets

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iPad vs. other tablets

Since my laptop is in it's death throes, I think it's time for a tablet. While I don't fully use a navigation app on my laptop (Win7), that's primarily due to battery life limitations. I recently read a Practical Sailor review of iPad apps, and they look pretty attractive, plus I like those that are specifically for things like a dragging anchor alarm, acting as a repeater for the instruments at the helm, etc.

My question is to those who have tablets, either iPads or non-iPad, and what your experiences may be. My priorities are ability to see in daylight, availability of apps, use as a reader, email and web browsing (no brainer) and of course, price.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay

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I don't have one - (I have a dedicated plotter and my laptop as backup, running VNS) - but from what I have read they can be a valid alternative, as long as you have no need to drive an autopilot.

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I have both an iPad and laptop. I use the iPad a lot for harbor information and weather, but the chart potter apps I've found are all pretty stupid. One of them even defaults do downloading a chart when you go into an area that needs it, assuming that you'll always have a cell tower in sight. Really worthless when you fall off the edge of your current chart 20 miles off shore.

I have not found anything that beats OpenCPN, which only works on a laptop. My laptop and OpenCPN is my backup to the Raymarine chartplotter. Of course the backup to the backup is a paper chart.

I would not be without a laptop until OpenCPN is ported to Android or iOS. There's talk of that, but it has not happened yet as far as I know.

Greg Jackson
SV Jacqui Marie
2004 C36, MKII
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We have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 tablet which has a slot for a 4G SIM card, it cost $300. It is unlocked, rooted and running Android and works well with our extremely cheap cellular data provider ($10 a month unlimited web). It can function as a wireless hotspot and it is really simple to set that up. Also has regular WiFi built in.

The apps all come from the Google store and there's zillions of them there, most are free but not all. I'm not a big app fan, apps will eat you alive if you are on a restricted data plan, they are constantly chatting away eating your data. We only have a couple installed, the navigation one from Jeppesen/CMap being the most important and useful one, it uses the Galaxy's built in GPS, the charts are extremely cheap compared to charts for the chartplotter and they look the same to me. It has an extremely sharp display which to my eye is as good as the Apple display but I don't operate at the pixel detail level.

The Galaxy has everything needed to use it in place of a laptop, we just completed our first trip away with just it and no laptops. The biggest failing with all tablets for doing real work is the built in screen keyboard is pretty useless compared to a real keyboard, I am getting a bluetooth keyboard for it. We also like that it has HDMI output to use it to watch movies on our flat screen on the boat. What I don't like about it is that they use a proprietary connector to do everything outside of the tablet and in the age of USB that is a crappy idea.

You couldn't give me an Apple anything, too many bad experiences with their low quality/overpriced stuff over the years, I could write a book. Android devices are outselling Apple in most of the world for very good reason. Apple fans may now flame me.

The biggest problem with every other mobile device out there is the lousy implementation of websites on mobile devices. The Galaxy is big and powerful enough to be able to display a web page designed for a laptop/desktop without issue, the problem is sites that force redirection to their mobile site which as often as not is badly built/poorly tested/lacking content and largely useless.

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I just purchased the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 mainly for some grad level courses I am doing but hope to try it out this summer on the boat. My wife has an IPad. :rolleyes:.... she wishes she did not now that she has seen my Android... Lots of Apps for me great for reading etc... Not sure if I would make it my trusty navigator though.... GPS / chart plotters are design for that.:)

Ross & Joanne
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Ditto on the never again buy an Apple. My nearly new iMac has made me wish numerous times I had stayed with a PC. The Admiral has an iPad (wireless only) and she likes it, except if she nods off while reading in bed and it conks her on the nose.

Changing from a PC to IOS is like changing religions. You really get sucked in, and it is very costly buying duplicate software for another operating system.

Larry Brandt
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I love my ipad, the software (apps) i have for navigation seem to work well and track on par with my garmin handheld. the ipad i have is in a LIFEPROOF case and is waterproof down to below where i hope it will never be.. I am in the process slowly of integrating my instruments with the ipad so that i'll be able to interface all of the instruments with both my wheel pilot and the ipad. I've set up a test so that the instruments are producing simulated data. I have a combiner that collects all of the nmea data output streams and it feed both the autopilot and the IPAD via a wireless network. it may not work for everyone and it may not be as robust as a dedicated chartplotter but for my needs I think it will work pretty well.
as a note i did use my ipad when i took an advanced coastal navigation course and i have to say the using both the navionics and and the iNavX software both tracked the course of the boat well as we went from Galveston to Freeport (about 50 nm). in fact the instructor had an iPad and iNavX as well. hard to beat the price of about 40 bucks for the software. FWIW

Mike Hogan
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thanks for all of the replies. I know computers are similar to anchors in that people have their favorites and reasons to like/dislike other options. I personally was in the IT profession for 30 years and just consider them tools. I've always hated microslop for their lousy software and business methods, and Apple is just as proprietary. Seeing the Oracle name when I upgrade Java really gets my goat, after dealing with their tech support which was both expensive and incompetent. In the year 2013, personal computers in general should be like toasters, plug it in and it just works. Yet people still have to deal with the crap I've been going through for the past 3 days trying to get this dying laptop back in service.

Gee, that turned into a rant, didn't it...:eek:

Anyway, whichever tablet I get, navigation software will be secondary to paper and eyeball navigation, which for the northern Chesapeake is sufficient. I've been reading reviews of nav apps, and some seem to like them as well as, or better than, the dedicated chart plotters. While I'd like to have a chart plotter, the cost is pretty steep for a device which will have a fairly short support timeframe, usually proprietary interfaces and not be useful for other functions. I have been using OpenCN but my laptop's battery life isn't sufficient to keep it running all day (could get a DC charger). That's just my view, I'm certainly not arguing with the choices made by others, who may have other criteria.

Tablet search continues. Got the data off my old hard drive, big sigh of relief.

Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay

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For three years we've had the Navionics maps running on a series of Android phones (I say "a series" because, alas, far too many have met untimely ends through the usual user mishaps, not because they were defective), which we've used as backups to the helm mounted chartplotter and the paper charts. Very impressed with the detail and accuracy, and -- if I recall correctly -- a set of charts for the entire US East Coast was only about $13. The map data is downloaded only once and resides on the mini-SD card, so there is no need to worry about internet access. (We upgraded to the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 recently, an absurdly large phone with a 5.5" screen that is probably close to the size of our existing chart plotter, and doesn't seem too bad in the sunlight)

Matthew Chachère
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(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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