Hi Folks!
I am now a C36 owner as of last Thursday! Excited as hell to be a part of this community, so I thought I'd kick off with my first tech question.
I'm adding a new transducer and wind gauge (Raymarine i60) and a new masthead fly. Plan to do the install via climbing. I was wondering if any of you might have photos of the head or antidotes of your experience?
Thanks in Advance!
Kevin Johnson
S/V Content
C36 MKI Tall Rig
Puget Sound WA
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36' Catalina MK1
S/V Content
Kevin,
Click on Members in toolbar on top, than technical articles in dropdown, than manuals. Choose MK1 Manual and go to page 21 that is the only thing I see about the masthead, not really a blueprint.
Gary Bain
S/V "Gone With The Wind"
Catalina 36', Hull #: 1056, Year: 1990, Engine: M-35
Standard Rig
Moored: Boothbay Harbor, Maine
Home: Auburn, Maine
Hi,
I'm in the same position. Just picked up our 1988 C36 and need to replace the wind instruments as they are not working. The old ones is Datamarine, so I am looking at the different options for replacement. Which one are you planning to go with? Please share your experience!
Thanks,
Daniel
1988 Catalina 36 MK I - Swept Away
Daniel-
I have a Raymarine ST60 windex (and depth and Knot/Log)- I miss the days of my old Data Marine. Why? Because the Raymarine instruments are too sophisticated for just plain day sailing and simple cruising. All three of my gauges seem to need periodic calibration- not simple proceedures...for the windex -hold down a myriad of buttons for varying time, run through other push button sequences and turn the boat in two complete circles. Plus, I've found that it was much easier to speak with a patient tech at Data Marine rather than one trying to rush you off the phone (after being on hold for 20 minutes) at Raymarine. If you're big into racing or tying all the instruments together including the GPS, Raymarine might be good. Just my 2 cents
Paul & Wendy Keyser
"First Light"
Rye NH
2005 C36 MKII #2257
Wing, M35B
I purchased a Raymarine i60 wind kit. I'm a bit of a geek so I really liked the idea of the NMEA 2000 data sharing/networking with other gear.
Made it about half way up this weekend, but the heat got to me so I reversed to be safe. As for climbing I replaced my main and spinaker halyards with a 10.5 static line (in the main slot) and a 9.5 dynamic for a backup. I'm ascending using a frog set up with black diamond ascenders and rigging a self-belay on the dynamic. I'm gonna wait for the heat to drop a bit then take another run at it.
On the bottom side I was originally going to feed the data line (weighted) down the inside the mast and then fish it through an access hole I'll drill at the mast step. I'm rethinking that and will probably use a long fish tape pushed up from the bottom and have a buddy pull through. I'll get some pics and maybe write it up once I make a good run.
Thanks to all of you for the replys!
36' Catalina MK1
S/V Content
I am going with a GARMIN wireless wind transponder and installing a Garmin 2000 backbone. I intend to leave Raymarine and go with a more compatible 2000 backbone. I can use GARMIN or B&G instruments on my Pedestal. Pratical Sailor did a 2000 compatibility test with transponders and instruments and GARMIN was rated over Raymarine.
Bob & Maggie B. Hobby Time 1999 C36 MK II TM/Wing Hull #1796 Warwick, RI
Hi,
I am currently going back and forth on a decision tree ;-)
1) Wireless
- Nexus / Garmin wireless
- Raymarine / Tacktick wireless
2) WIred
- A Peets Brothers anemometer with the Arduino interface board I got from Rob @ Freeboard
- B&G wired?
At the end it's going to come down to whether I can re-use the existing Datamarine wire for one of the options.
Either way I will go to a networked model but there are some remaining questions around the right interfaces - primarily due to the PITA proprietary nature of the NMEA 2k definition.
Anyone with insights on Nexus aka Garmin vs. Tacktick aka Raymarine for wireless?
Regards,
Daniel
1988 Catalina 36 MK I - Swept Away
I purchased a Raymarine ST60 Wind sensor to mount at the masthead, but before I go up there I want to be prepared. Can anyone supply the answers to the following questions?
1. Is the masthead unit mounted with screws plus washers and nuts on the underside of the plate? Or is it mounted just with screws? Are the mounting holes tapped, or will sheet metal screws be sufficient? Do I need to take a tap and die set up with me in addition to a drill?
2. Yes, I will make sure to prevent bimetallic corrosion.
3. Any of you folks on the east coast who pull your sticks every winter, can you help me out here, perhaps with a photo and personal experience?
Any advice that you can provide that can help me make only a single trip up the mast will be much appreciated.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
[quote=LCBrandt]I purchased a Raymarine ST60 Wind sensor to mount at the masthead, but before I go up there I want to be prepared. Can anyone supply the answers to the following questions?
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Larry,
I would urge you to reconsider installing any ST-60 at this point in time regardless of how good a deal it is. It is now 2015 and the entire ST-60 line up is currently unsupported & non-repairable!!! The wind vane is still repairable but the ST60 and ST-60+ instruments are no longer supported and parts are in very, very limited supply or gone altogether. They are literally scrounging through returns for parts to patch up some, that were mailed in without a phone consult, but technically the ST-60 is now a dead product... The legacy Ray instruments quickly became buggy whips and once parts run out you quickly have irreparable non-working gear........
For example I tried to talk a number of customers out of the old ST4000+ MKII units when they were being blown out and most ignored me. Within months of purchase the control head was no longer supported/parts no longer available thus making them making a sea anchor. The fix required an entire new course computer as well as a display head, which cost more than the entire ST4000+ MKII wheel pilot kit did.
If you are going to spend the money, to do the labor, and install it, I would strongly urge a NMEA 2K compatible unit for future proofing. The ST-60 is fully proprietary where N2K is not. SeaTalkng is easily converted to N2K..
The dirty secret of marine industry electronics is that parts and repair are only possible as long as the PCB's and parts remain available. I have seen discontinued products go irreparable in less than 6 months from the time the manufacturer stopped selling the product.... This makes them a very poor value if they were to break, which wind instruments, do rather chronically.......
Please understand that the ST-60's are no longer supported or reparable except for a select few pieces. This info comes directly from my inside guy at Ray and I am not shooting from the hip on this.
Just my 2¢......
-Maine Sail
https://www.marinehowto.com/
Are you asking about how the transducer base is mounted because you're replacing a defective one or because you're doing a new install?
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
A new install. Presuming the plate at the masthead will have no transducer mounting holes whatever.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Self tapping #8 using a 4mm or 5/32" or #24 drill bit. That's the easy part.
An 8mm hole for the cable. Good luck feeding this down the mast with the stick up.
Nick Caballero
Retired C36/375IA Mk II Technical Editor
Any photos of the top of the mast out there that might help me envision the transducer mount and cable feed strategy? Surely someone on the east coast will be pulling their stick soon? Thanks for any help you can offer.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Larry,
I've uploaded two pix of the top of the mast of #2211, so it should look the same as yours. Note that this owner chose to have one wire come out of the top of the masthead fitting (small black wire for wind instruments?) and two wires come out of the side of the mast (white vhf coax + larger black wire for ???). Hope this helps.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Thanks, Tom. That's helpful.
The white wire in the photos is clearly a coax, the small black one is for a wind sensor. Not sure what the large black one is for, but I'll guess anti-lightning static dissipator?
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
See if this helps.
Bill Matley
Duncan Bay Boat Club
Cheboygan, Michigan
Lakes Huron, Michigan,
Canadian North Channel
"Spirit of Aloha" Hull #1252
Thanks, Bill.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Whatever you do, make sure all your wires go down the mast through the conduit. If not, the slapping wires will drive you nuts, especially trying to sleep. Our new wind instrument cable was too big to fit, so out tech has to replace some multi wire bundles with individual wires. I've been told that you can use wire ties to hold cables off the mast sides, but never tried it!
Joe & Patti Worth
"Tehani"
1999 C36 MKII #1810
Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Will do my best to route wiring via conduit, for sure. What I'd like to know before I begin drilling through the top cap to mount the wind sensor and route the wind cable is the following:
1. What does the inside of the masthead look like? That is, where are the sheaves, the halyards, the conduit, and any other critical items I need to be aware of as I drill. Anybody got a photo of the guts of the masthead?
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Larry,
I've had the masthead off my MkI mast, and from memory, it looks exactly like the diagrams on page 24 of the pdf of the C36 MkII owner's manual, which is on this site. Two pairs of sheaves, one forward and one aft, separated by an aluminum plate about 1/8" thick. There isn't a ton of room between the sheaves and the top plate of the masthead, so be careful drilling into it so as not to cut a halyard. The conduit (conduits?) is pop-riveted along the forward side of the mast, offset slightly to one side (I can't remember if it's port or stbd). You can tell exactly where it is by looking for the heads of the pop rivets on the outside of your mast. Getting a wire into the conduit without a messenger line, and with the masthead in place, is just about impossible. It is possible to take the masthead off with the mast in place (I've done it, and it would take a few pages to describe), but it is not easy. It would be much easier to drill a hole in either the top plate or the side of the mast extrusion, drop a weighted messenger line, and then pull up the wire from below, with triple sets of wire ties every 3-4 feet. I've done that for a radar cable, and the cable was quiet inside the mast, suspended between the wire tie tails. The wire ties did not interfere with the halyards. Hope this helps.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
I went wireless . Did not want to run another wire and it works great
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Thanks. That's very helpful.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B