Starter motor.. or start button problem

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Bob Serotini
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Starter motor.. or start button problem

I have an old C36 Mk1 hull #84 with a universal M25 diesel. Have had minor starting problems of late and wonder if anyone else has been down this path before.
On the engine panel there is the key to turn on whole system on, glow plug button to pre heat, and a starter button to engage the starter motor to start the engine.
My problem is that I have to press and release the start button 3-4- or maybe 5 times for the starter motor to engage. The engine has never not started...yet... but it is like dead for the first few pushes of the start button.
I'm wondering if this problem sounds familiar to anyone else?  Starter button faulty or starter motor troubles?
Any thoughts will be appreciated.
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Bob Serotini
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Yes been there. What I found is I installed The new wiring harness up grade years ago. When I did it he wanted them all spliced. So if I remember as our boat is 1200 miles away as we bought his boat many years back.  It was the purple wire in the engine compartment.  I developed a leak in our antifreeze over flow tank. This got into the connection and coroaded the connection. It created that same issue.  So all I can say is trace all of your start circuit wires and connections. This happened when we were pulling into Norfolk with navy ships in motion. Not fun. 

Randy Sherwood
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T/R W/K M35a
Home. Charlotte, Mi.
Boat. St Augustine,Fl.

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I also have had the same issue on my '83. In the last 2 years I have replaced the starter (when it failed), but the problem of having to push the starter button multiple times resurfaced. I then replaced the key switch and the starter button switch as well. It still happened last weekend.
I'm going to trace the wiring to see if I can find a questionable connection - I'll try to post my findings.
Bob, I see you are also on the Great Lakes. Salt is not likely to be our issue, but I suppose the age of the wiring could be a culprit. The wiring on my boat has always been a little suspect due to many changes made over the years by the PO.
I hate when you push that stupid button and nothing happens.

Rob Hahn
S/V Galahad
C36 #54, US31237
Lake Superior, out of Superior, WI

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Hi,

I have a 1988 Mark 1 that does not start. It worked earlier today flawlessly. Then I went out 6 hours later, turned on the power (it had been turned off so the batteries would not get drained) and everything lights up when I turn the key, but the silver button does nothing at all - not even a click. Bad connection? Or something else? The boat was pitching a bit on the mooring so I suspect the loose connection, but there was nothing obvious when I checked the wiring.

Thanks,
Aaron

This turned out to be a bad starter button. I ended up replacing the button.

Aaron
Guilford, CT
1988 Catalina 36 "Raptor"

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I could not start today but figured it out and thought it might be helpful to share the learning.

After launching and trying to start it for 10 minutes, we ended up towing the boat to the slip.  When it got there, I tried to start it again and nothing - no sound at all. Some people thought the batteries were dead but with no sound at all, I suspected the solenoid or starter. After talking with a few folks, I concluded that it had to be the solenoid and it might just be stuck (I knew it was getting power, but that power did not cause any sound in the solenoid, which I hoped meant it was probably not the starter motor). On a suggestion from my Dad, I hit it with a hammer. That worked - it must have freed the solenoid up enough for it to operate properly - and it started right up (with the batteries on charger all afternoon).

Hope this helps someone. (I am going to replace that solenoid though.)

 

Aaron
Guilford, CT
1988 Catalina 36 "Raptor"

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I recently had that same problem as well. I set the house battery switch to "all" and it worked. The starter battery lug was loose. Later it had the same problem - it was the starter button. I replaced it - no more problem. To keep the battery terminals clean I coat the lugs with lanolin.

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I have a 1984 Catalina 36 Hull # 260 and just for the first time experienced the same problem.  My starter switch is a " pull " type not a " push."  This is never a good thing and has me concerned.  It did start the second time I pulled the switch out.  I have Three (3) Size 31 Batteries, so I can put plenty of Amps to the starter.  However, if it is a switch or wiring problem that would be more difficult to find.

Clifford Bassett
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1984 C-36 Hull # 260
M25 SR/FK
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I had a problem with the starter a few years ago. After I was sailing with the motor off for a few hours the starter would not engage. I had this same problem when I had my first car, a 1948 Ford, V-8. What I was told by an old auto mechanic at that time was the bendix was sticking. Tap the starter motor with a wrench or other solid object and it would start as soon as I got back into my car and hit the starter. So when my sailboat motor would not engage I simply did the same thing, hit the starter with a wrench then it started for a few times without a problem. I eventually put in a new starter because our bendix is incorporated in the starter housing and it still works fine.

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The issues for this have been documented many times.  If you haven't replaced the trailer wiring harness connectors, it is time to do so.

I am sure it's here on your website, here's one of ours:

http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5078.msg35943.html#msg35943

Alo in that thread is a discussion of Starter Problems, the fuseholder on the wire from the start button to the starter solenoid.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Bob
It has also been my experience that if you push the starter button and the volt meter goes all the way over, but the starter does not engage then the problem is in the starter. If the volt meter does not move when the starter button is pushed then it is probably an electrical problem with the button, fuse or lose wire. But, you probably already know this.

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Went through this myself this Spring. There's a lot of threads and good info on this on the site. The solutions for me were multiple

  1. Loose connections. Several had vibrated loose over years
  2. Corroded connections. A combination of oil and anti-freeze spills had compromised connections in the engine compartment. Salt and age had corroded a connection in the instrument panel
  3. Old wires. One of the wires was so brittle that it snapped in my hand as I checked the connection

This took about 4-5 hours to troubleshoot. It was a really valuable exercise because I now know what/where every wire does/goes between the battery, the engine and the panel. Future troubleshooting time will be greatly reduced. Secondly, the engine starts reliably now. Finally, I discovered new items that require attention in the wiring. I will tackle these over the coming months as none of them are critical.

Hope this is helpful

Tim Farrell
S.V. Kailua
C36 - 1986
Hull# CTY0678A886

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Had a similar "intermittent start" issue several years ago... after checking several things, found a poor crimp connection on a wire at the starter motor (wire broke at crimp when I wiggled it...)

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