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Forum Suggestions

I think that we need to have a way of communicating with our forum web-master regarding repairs or modifications to the forum software configuration.

As I see it, we have several issues that need to be addressed:

1.) No PM (Personal message) function between members

2.) No Tapatalk functionality

3.) No way to delete a forum topic or reply that you have made

4.) Poor signature and profile edit functionality

5.) No way to access member information, previous posts, etc

 

Anything else?

---- Howard & Linda Matwick ----

--- S/V "Silhouette" - Nanaimo, BC ----

--- 1999  C36 MkII  #1776 M35BC ---

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The 1000 character limit is quite restrictive, could that be increased? 

Alex & Caitlin
S/V Windswept
Vancouver, BC
1985 C-36
SR/FK M25

 

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When I do an internet search for certain Catalina 36 information,  various reference links to the old site come up which will not open.  A major error/oversight that needs to be fixed.. 

 

Bob & Maggie B. Hobby Time 1999 C36 MK II TM/Wing Hull #1796 Warwick, RI

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Can you quote as existing post?

What forum software is the site running? All the free packages have the missing features.

Given that the old forum had all these features, it seems silly to replace it with a lesser product. But its early days.

Cat375 - Rock The Boat - Hull 54
Lake Macquarie - NSW - Australia

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The new site is a work in progress.  We will be adding functionality as time and finances allow.  Sue Griesbach is the webmaster and she has been away on personal matters but I'm sure she will be noting and adding these items to be looked into. 

The forum is native Drupal now, this was done to make keeping the site secure and updated less expensive as the cost to update vBulletin was exorbitant.

On the upside, one of the things we wanted to accomplish was to make it easy for members to submit content and that has been accomplished.  I just published an article on the front page and it was simple to do, including embedding photos in the article.  A link to start this process is on the right side of the pages under the Navigation heading.  Once submitted, a workflow is initiated to have the content reviewed and published by the editors and it shows up on the site. 

More below......yeah, 1000 characters might be a tad tiny.

 

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Further to submitting content,

There is a guide under the Help->FAQ menu to assist with this, while this deals with tech articles the process is the same for most content.

https://www.catalina36.org/help/frequently-asked-questions#Submit%20Tech...

We hope this new functionality will encourage members to submit more articles and content about not just tech matters but sailing and anything else relevant to owning a C36.  There's more here than just the forums folks.

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Ah, native Drupal.

It is too late now, but it seems strange to go through all this development when there are plenty of secure/professional forum packages out there (I know as I run several differnet types for different sailing sites) - and they are free and only take an hour to setup.

Lets all make suggestions, so that the web manager can priorities and introduce the features that we need.

 

Cheers

 

Cat375 - Rock The Boat - Hull 54
Lake Macquarie - NSW - Australia

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Simon, it's not strange at all when you understand the situation the association was in.  There's a history of how the association got to where it is today technology wise, it involves the concept that the we can't be dependent on one person keeping everything working because that one person will eventually no longer be around.  Which is what happened fairly suddenly.

We are trying to simplify management and maintenance of the website and since the Drupal forums are integrated with the Drupal platform it accomplishes that goal.  When we upgrade Drupal we upgrade everything.  We had a dog's breakfast of software on the old site, all of it many many revisions out of date and unstable.  It took a lot of time and money to keep it running.  It was just not affordable to continue using different software for each piece of the site when we have to hire work done.

As you said, it's early days.

 

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Not just throwing stones, I am happy to be a part of the solution.

Wordpress is so easy you can teach anyone to use it (I would bet a good many here use it).  Drupal is more complex & requires coding expertise, any review clearly points this out.  I run a site for our club and do very little to keep it going, the committee and board manage their own pages and posts.  We're not talking computer savy folks here.

There are some really nice forum plugins for Wordpress that cost very little ($0-$99).  The newer Q&A ones would be rather nice for our needs:  http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/best-5-wordpress-forum-plugins-and-themes/

Cost really has me scratching my head.  Just going to GoDaddy shows managed Wordpress costs (easy & supported): http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/wordpress-hosting.aspx?ci=91318

We still have a complicated site and nothing can get done without the webmaster (paid?) away.  Drupal makes it challenging to help.

2000 C36 MKII 1825

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There are no paid people working for this organization.  We are all volunteers with lives outside C36/375IA.   We hire consultants to do the web work which addresses, at a cost, the problem of people moving on and leaving us in a skills vacuum.

We did a lot of work exploring options with various platforms.  There was a year long effort to find a fix for our old platform that was failing and we explored every option we thought possible.   Integrating on Drupal made the most sense and was really the only affordable option.  Wordpress and Joomla both had functionality gaps, there's more going on here than meets the eye.

We always need volunteers, especially on the web side.  We have had a vacant Assistant Webmaster position for a long time.  There are other roles needed as well.  Step up people, it's your organization.

 

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If we paid a consultant for this site layout we were robbed.  More importantly, the site needs to fit within the abilities of the users to support it or it is a sinking ship (utoh!). 

This is not a complex site.   I converted our club's website to a Wordpress site and did it in parallel to allow time to get the new site up and running, tested and then once it was good to go, we swapped the URL and voila! new functioning website. The beauty was that users could get a look at it before we cut it over.  I'm no software developer but I'm a very good techincal project manager.  :)

We need to move to Wordpress, more limited but within the bounds of volunteer talent.  We will also need a secondary URL to host this site as we build it.  To keep it simple and within the bounds of volunteer abilities, I suggest we signup for a "managed" Wordpress site.

My contact info is in my profile.

2000 C36 MKII 1825

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oh-oh...   How do I see your profile? ......

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--- 1999  C36 MkII  #1776 M35BC ---

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As long as we are giving suggestions for Forum software, I'd reccomend SMF - Simple Machines Forum.   Free and very powerful.  Individual users have lots of options in their profiles.   Look at C34.org if you wish to see it.  Yes, it can be locked down to members.

Bud, I appreciate that people put lots of work into this, but sometimes you have to know when to fold them.   Most of us can just look at this software to know it is inferior to other sites.  If you can't go into the setup to change the font contrast or up the length of posts within 3 minutes, you have the wrong software. Other software would be easy to migrate to and you don't need a pro to handle it.  SMF has lots of help on their own forums.   Maybe Sue has been away and busy, that is fine, but if you are putting everything onto her isn't that just getting you into the same problem as before?

Gene Foraker
Sandusky Yacht Club
Sandusky, OH
1999  C36  #1786
Gypsy Wagon

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SMF and phpbb are two packages I run for sailing forums. They are free and have a huge user base. You can also hire very experienced programmers to develop customisation modules for $15/hr if need be.

One of the advantaged of the internet is you are not tied to using local programmers. I imagine the people in the US are as expensive as Australia. Thus the widespread use if offshore people (India, Eastern Europe, etc).

 

Cat375 - Rock The Boat - Hull 54
Lake Macquarie - NSW - Australia

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Blocking access to the forum will limit attracting new members.

Blocking access prevents use of Google search. Does anyone really think that being invisible to Google search will improve this sites viability?

It’s quite naive to think a closed website with a limited audience is going to encourage people to take the trouble to write an article or post to a forum that has a such a limited audience.

I highly appreciate the time and effort of the volunteers. But it is rather arrogant and imprudent to not solicit input from the current members, many who have, the expertise to provide some authoritative direction.

I am afraid this current direction which has already neutered the previous website’s value, will kill it.  I will unlikely renew my membership in its current form.

Read more here;

http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?PHPSESSID=4cc992bb85cdb94f9ef6cf53251532cd&...

I apologize for my bluntness, but with only 1,000 characters.

Nile Schneider
Mañana C36 #1798
Lake Champlain, VT

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As I write this, no posts have been added to the C36 forum in the past 24 hrs.    The C34 Forum has had 10 new posts in the past 24 hrs.   The officers shut down the C36 email list thinking that the people would just migrate here.  That did not happen.   We have shut out lurkers or interested parties.  Mainesail was offered a complimentory membership and he has rejected it. Things are not trending in the right direction.  

Gene Foraker
Sandusky Yacht Club
Sandusky, OH
1999  C36  #1786
Gypsy Wagon

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I agree, everybody should be able to read the info. Posting in most areas should require registration. If the site had value, people will join the association.

I was really looking forward to the new forum. But have been diusappointed. Still no Tapatalk.
When the email list people raised concerns, I was sure the new forum would have all the features of the old one and some more. I admit I don't know all the history behind the old site. But a website and forum are fairly simple these days. Let's hope people are prepared to wait it out.

Cat375 - Rock The Boat - Hull 54
Lake Macquarie - NSW - Australia

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