Hi everyone, new guy here.
I thought I would document this slow restoration project over the next few months. I hesitate to give too many specifics of this old Mk 1, which could identify it to the original owner who may still be lurking the forum. I am the 3rd owner. The second owner began the restoration project 6 years ago, but then lost interest. He never splashed her. She stayed in his backyard on a trailer for 6 yrs, until "yours truly" came along... with an obsession for the C36, but couldn't afford a more, how shall we say..."Admiral Friendly" boat.:)
I'll just say, from what I've deduced, the original owner loved to race her... serious 100mile+ races. But no evidence of cruising amenities, woman's touch, or even much technical savy (evidenced in tacky, half #ssed repairs)... really no care or maintenance to anything in the cabin.
But... sitting on the hard, the surveyor got a good look around, pronounced her basically "sound bones". Now I have...7 months... to get her fit for an Admiral :-)
Fuel tank: Pulled it up, initially thought I'd dodged the corrosion bullet, till I got it home and cleaned off the external gunk from the lower bilge corner. Not just pitted, but leaking.
Water heater is also corroded & shot.
4 of the 6 fixed windows leaked. Someone's previous attempt to reseal them using 5200 adhesive instead of marine grade window/portlight [U]sealer[/U] was a failure... also they had reversed two of the tempered glass lenses (port&stbd middle windows reversed). I tossed the 28yr old rubber, and put in new foam weather stripping and resealed with marine silicone sealer. So far so good (Good rain yeesterday)
Today, after a final wipe down of the 1/16 to 1/8 oil/gunk coating in the bilge and areas under sink and fuel tank, I took the torque wrench to the keel bolts. (Surveyor noted slight "weeping" aft end of keel. The aft keel bolt hiding under the tank and sludge [U]turned 1& 3/4 times before reaching 105 ft lbs[/U]! The next 4 bolts (moving forward) easily turned 3/4 turns. The epoxy around the washers all shattered of course. The remaining 5 I need a universal angle adapter for my socket extension.
Pitted tank
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New foam in window frame.
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Oily sludge all over bilge...in wiring... yuck.... but getting better (can't use the pump yet or I'll spew it into the marina) (Yes she's floating in her home slip now!)
[IMG]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QhOt-L9W-7c/Un2FBqwVVsI/AAAAAAAAHRc/I...
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
Looks like my kind of fun. I took a winter to strip the interior, replace a bulk head, redo all of the windows and most of the electrical. Sailed for a summer and then some more work last winter. The admiral is happy. Her only request other than clean and not smelling was an electric flush head. Better than I thought, by using fresh water, I have 3 tanks, it eliminates those nasty head smells. This winter are small nice projects.
Best of luck. Lots of answers on this site, and a lot of experience.
Do not forget to add an automatic signature to the post in the user CP.
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Hi, plabel. I agree that a real name will be nice when you get a chance. We don't bite. :D
You have surely taken on a challenging project, but your post comes across with a great attitude towards boat repairs. The fact that you know making the admiral happy with the boat is the key to happiness afloat confirms your wisdom.
Best of luck with all the repairs and many years of enjoyment with the boat.
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Thanks guys,
Will do (did) updated my User CP details .
This week's plan:
Seal persistent drip in aft-most bilge pocket at rudder post.
2nd coat varnish deck grab rails.
Begin wiring troubleshooting (lots of dead end orphan wires) and only 2 volts at cabin light fixtures, wires inside panel too warm....
Torque remaining 5 forward keel nuts.
Paul
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
When it comes to wires their is a simple solution. My original plan was to work slowly and try to save some.... it is simple, take it all out and re do all the wiring. The original wires are undersized and not tinned. After pulling it all out I was able to salvage some pieces but it can be scarry what people do and use. I found more hidden splices than I want to know.:(
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Good for you Paul & Ann! Early Cat 36`s are not ready to just go away they are great boats and deserve a second chance on life! Definitely use the association for info as I have owning an 86 MK I a lot of info if u dig into the site and if u can`t find it ask! Good Luck and good sailing
Tom Neary X Aviator
Flying Vertical
Cat 36 MK I #616 1986
SSYC Milwaukee, Wis.
Ross,
When you did your re-wiring, did you find any [U]good forum threads on the subject[/U]? The only threads my searches turn up are focused on engine harness issues ( like Tom's over in technical section).
I'll prob. just do the DC side, leaving alone the ac distribution to outlets. Glancing briefly yesterday, I couldn't see the cabin light routing, and hate to pull off more teak than necessary. The wiring through bilge, and over to port side macerator, pumps & water heater etc looks straightforward enough, as do lights & instrumentation up the mast. Battery charging circuit is prob. no problem. The switch panel itself looks like a bear!
I've read of people doing all this, but haven't seen any "documentary" or youtube video (haha) on it :)
Thanks,
Paul
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
The original wiring is often in the deck stucture on early boats, my C30 was like that. The wiring circuit consistis of a common ground and then a #16 or smaller wire to a large group of lights. The wiring scematic can be found in the manuals for C36 MKI.
Attached is a pic of what I converted the nav station to and a pic of what was behind the electrical panel and why I scrapped all of the wiring. Gutted interior as well :)
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Wow.
That is some ugly stuff. LOL
No wonder you started over.
Mitch
1986 Catalina 36 MKI
S/V "Blessing"
Kema, TX
Hull: #584
M25 w/ Oberdorfer Conversion
Thanks for the pics, Ross.
I have done my share of boat projects, but your photos bring back fond memories of all the times I have never had to go THAT far! :D
Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
s/v Diva Di
1999 Catalina 36 Hull #1777
Std rig; wing keel, M35B, Delta (45#)
Punta Gorda, FL
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/diva-di/
Paul, Ann welcome to the forum! Lots of great information here so enjoy. I did an electrical upgrade last winter, information can be found [URL="http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2172&highlight=projects"]http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2172&highlight=projects[/URL]
Let me know if you need any tips, glad to share them with you.
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
[quote=2sailaway]Paul, Ann welcome to the forum! Lots of great information here so enjoy. I did an electrical upgrade last winter, information can be found [URL="http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2172&highlight=projects"]http://www.c36ia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2172&highlight=projects[/URL] Let me know if you need any tips, glad to share them with you.[/quote]
Just FYI, the links are broken! Just my luck!
Mitch
1986 Catalina 36 MKI
S/V "Blessing"
Kema, TX
Hull: #584
M25 w/ Oberdorfer Conversion
Deep down within every neglected boat lies a weeping soul.
Good on you for bringing her back! :)
Mike
Deja Vu
1991 MK I # 1106
Marina del Rey, CA
[QUOTE=dejavu;20337]Deep down within every neglected boat lies a weeping soul.
Mike[/QUOTE]
I love it! Thanks Mike. And thanks Larry for the great link! Great pics and ideas from both you & Ross.
I started into it today. Initially I'm just pulling out and cleaning up 30 yrs of abandoned wires from old equipment & mods. I'm sure I'll end up going all the way like you guys did. Both of your new panels & neat wiring are inspiring!
ps...Ross, you're my new standard for when ever I feel I'm getting carried away (or discouraged) with this project. I can't believe you stripped the whole inside! Must be gorgeous now.
Here's my panel & rats nest:
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Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
Hi Paul & Ann:
Welcome to the forums, this is without a doubt the best source of information for the new C36 owner. Regarding your fuel tank, we had a similar situation with our original equipment fuel tank. Imagine getting a call from the boatyard in February saying that they noticed diesel dripping out of the depth sounder transducer through hull and had just pumped 15 gallons of fuel out of the bilge. Being on a relatively tight budget, we looked at our options and decided to glass the outside of the tank. I sanded the entire exterior of the tank, wiped it down with lacquer thinner and applied West System epoxy. We used 2 layers of glass cloth on the bottom, one on the sides and top, and an extra strip of glass around the bottom edges. No more leaks and after one season on the water there is no evidence of the glass separating from the aluminum.
I am looking forward to reading about your experience with the wiring system!
Michael & Jayne O'Neill * Steadfast * 1985 C36 #372 * Salem, MA
Paul,
I am not sure how much wiring you have done but a few things to invest in besides a lot of patience:
A professional set of crimpers for all of the connections... about $80.00 do not waste any time on cheap off shore stuff.
Use Dialectic grease or similar material for all connections. You will be happy you did this after a few years when normally start to get corrosion.
For wiring there are lots of alternatives to the official marine wire. I use tined wire from a local industrial supplier, I think it is designed for installing sound systems. My minimum size for any run is 16 and that has to be a small draw instrument. any lights get 12 gauge. All lines get there own negative line run back to a common buss bar.
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Thanks Michael for the glass idea on the tank leak. I'm glad that seems to be working for you. My experience with fiberglass is nil, so I wouldn't trust myself to do it right. Another boating friend of mine suggested the sealer they use on aviation tanks.
I think I'll just play it safe and get a new tank from Cat. Direct. They are still less expensive than a local PNW marine tank builder just quoted me.
Thanks Ross. Good idea on the dielectric grease. I've used it before. I retired from UN Peacekeeping Operations, where I installed radio repeaters and satellite earth stations. So, the wiring doesn't intimidate me. But your advise on "Patience" is well received, as I have a habit of rushing things, to get them up & running, at the expense of neatness...:rolleyes:
Paul
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
Paul,
AN idea for wiring. I ran 2" ABS from the mid section of the boat forward and from the panel area aft. I then drilled 1"holes along the pipe at various locations to pull the wires out. I ran the pipe just under the deck. Makes a great wire chase for all the wiring.
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Paul,
Here's another idea for re-doing the electrical panel. To free up some real estate on the panel for additional breakers and gauges, I moved the battery switch to the area just below the elec panel (I also added a dedicated battery switch for the start battery). No need to extend battery cables. While you are at it, you might want to swap out the daisey-chained switches and fuses for breakers. Makes the panel a LOT more reliable. I used the original frame, and bought a piece of plexi to make my own panel. Here's a link to some pix:
[url]https://julandra.shutterfly.com/[/url]
Details in pictures 2B, 2C, and 2D. Hope this helps.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Tom,
Every time I look through your shutterfly images I am always amazed and inspired. Great ideas and every project is well though out and very nicely done. One question I have for you is where did you get the front water tank and did you remove the ones in the back when you installed it? Also, did the performance or handling under sail or motor change when running with it full? I would think that the bow would be pushed down a bit with that kind of weight all the way up front, was it?
Larry Robcke
MKl Tech Editor S/V L' Amante #319, 1984 C36
Sailing Long Island sound and the Hudson River
Larry,
I bought the tank from Catalina Parts Dept. It was listed as a 34 gal tank, but based on the time it took to fill, I think it was a 24 gal tank. Either way, it helped a lot. I did not change the aft tanks. I built a manifold to control which tank was used. As far as I can tell, it did not effect trim. Possibly a tiny bit, but not enough to notice.
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Wow Tom, THANK you for that!! So many options to consider. Your album will be a continual reference during this project. What a hard act to follow!
I put [URL="https://picasaweb.google.com/aplebel/C36Restoration?authuser=0&authkey=G..."]this album[/URL] together to document my progress. When I sent it to some friends this weekend, I realized and apologized that they were all "before" pics :( Hopefully I'll have some "after" pics some day... As my wife, the Admiral-in-waiting, just reminded me: "Honey, you've only owned the boat [U]a month[/U]"
Meanwhile, our Yachtworld search results keep coming in weekly, where my wife oohs and aahs over the $50-60K C36s. I just remind her "Honey just imagine what ours ($28K) will look like after we put $30K into her. :p
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
Paul,
One thing I noticed in one of your pix should be fixed. The pic showing the inside of the fuel tank. If you re-use the tank, make sure you take the small filter screen off the end of the pickup tube/hose. That screen has been the cause of problems for many owners. It has caused fuel starvation when it clogs with gunk in the tank. The fuel filters should be used to filter the fuel, and not that screen. Just a thought. Good luck on your projects!!
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Good thought. Thanks. I plan to buy a new tank, but assumed I'd re-use associated hardware & hoses (except the main filler hose which I had to mangle to get off the tank and filler cap). Now I know to ditch the screen. Thanks.
BTW, I woke up wondering: How many years of ownership does your photo album of mods represent?
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
18 loving years!
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
Paul ,what part of North Puget Sound are you in. If you happen to be in Sound Sound ,we are in Fair Harbor in Grapeview north of Shelton 10 miles and I have a 1990 that we have done lots of mods,golf cart batteries lighting ,electronics battery monitors,bow water tank ,change out of nav station ,new tables,Dolye stack pack,replaced windows,seperate shower like Tom did ,single lever faucet in gallery and head replaced all lights with LEDs and much more
Bill Miller
S/V Lorraine
Pacific Northwest,Sound Sound
Grapeview,Wa
1990 Mk1
Paul,
since you have everything stripped out I will give you a suggestion on a very efficient method for cleaning the interior and eliminating the fuel smell that I am sure is evident. This worked very well for me and made refinishing the teak relatively simple.
Use a pressure washer.
- Round 1 - spray everything in a section with the detergent,
- Rinse with pressure washer getting rid of all the big lumps. Start at the cabin top and work your way down.
- Round 2 scrub everything with deck brush , water and detergent
- Rinse with pressure washer
- Round 3 mix one gallon of white vinegar with about 3 or 4 gallons of water.
- Scrub everything you can get to.
- Rinse with pressure washer.
End result... sore arms and back... very clean boat and any smell should be gone.
This processes has worked very well for me on a couple of restoration projects. All of the teak is clean and ready for a fresh coat of varnish, no sanding required for the most part.
I used a small pump on a drill to keep up with the water flow. Actually pressure washers do not use that much water.
NOTE: Where gloves and a face shield, just plan on getting wet.:D
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
Tom... ok 18 yrs. I've got time to catch up.
Thanks Bill for the offer. I just looked up Shelton. Wow you're really tucked in down there. Yes we're at the opposite end of the Sound, and typically go to points north. Someday we'll explore south.
Thanks Ross, I think I've finally finished with all the accessible places now that I've cleaned behind the Nav Station drawers (Cabling) (previously under galley, fuel tank, water heater & macerator areas)
The tar was so thick & goopy after first trying Simply Green, I resorted to 1) scraping with putty knife, 2) dowsing with Gunk engine degreaser, 3) power washing, 4) scooping the mess out of the bilge to take to recycler. (oh and grumbling at the original owner who didn't deal with this mess)
What's left and inaccessible (under cabin walkways) I'm waiting till I get "mobile" so I can swish soapy water around every time I go out. I'm sure it stinks from the degreaser too. But I've probably grown immune to that as well. Rinsing with soapy water in the waves is my plan... as well as maybe trying the [URL="http://microbes.wonderchem.com/"]oil eating microbes[/URL] that I've read good things about.
The areas I need to work in are now finally clean enough that I hope I'm through bringing stinky rags and work clothes home for re-washing (kind of amazed the dryer hasn't blown up from the fumes :D )
Paul & Ann -
"Freestyle" -
1985 C36 #454 -
North Puget Sound, WA
Sounds like you are having fun. I can not imagine anyone leaving that mess in the bilge, it would be totally uninhabitable.
Ross & Joanne
Wavelength
Saint John NB
RKYC
C36 #658 TR 1987
I would not advise skipping the AC side. Our boat had 12ga wiring for 30 amps (from factory)! The main breaker was a single pole instead of the double pole required (neutral/hot). Would highly recommend a Smart Plug for your shoreside connection, when I pulled mine I saw how close it was to catching fire.
Our boat had the alt bracket break and the whole bilge is still covered in a thin layer of oil. I am looking at the oil eating microbes also. Anyone used these yet?
Alex H.
SV Alexanne, 1985 #432 SR
SF Marina Bay YH