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Reefing question

I have a two line reefing system that goes back to the cockpit. The main sail feeds into the track and is supported in the track at the first slug with a thumbscrew. This is located 8-10 inches above the boom. If I lower the mainsail to reef, then the reef point will not be on the boom but will be on this thumbscrew with the force of the reefing line pulling the sail down onto this point. This seems like a lot of pressure to put on this point for reefing and looks like it would be hard on the sail. It seems to me that the reef point should be resting on the boom with the pressure from the reefing line holding the sail on the boom. My friend says that I should remove the thumbscrew when reefing which would drop the slugs out of the track to get the sail on the boom, but that would seem to negate the benefits of a reefing system that goes back to the cockpit. It would also seem to be kind of clumsy requiring that I feed the slugs back into the track and reseat the thumbscrew to pull out the reef. Any suggestions would be appreciated...

Paul Meyers
1986 Catalina 36
Hull #615
Ventura, California

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Paul, there are two basic solutions to your issue:

1. Buy mast gates.

2. Install a "jack line" on the bottom of the luff of your main.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Hello Paul
Installed single line reefing on both mainsail reef points, but this would apply to using two lines for each as well.
Not on the boat, or would send a picture, but imagine putting a stainless ring somewhat larger than the grommet on one side and attaching a block through the grommet to the ring. The reefing line is led through this block, not the grommet. Now when the reefing line is hardened, the block brings the reefing cringle down very close to the boom, avoiding it stacking up on top of the sail slugs in the mast above the thumbscrew.
Hope this is helpful.

Jack Heaston
1987 C36 Mk I #692
Fin Keel, Std Rig, Rocna 15
Silent Passage, M25 XPB Repower

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Paul - On my mainsail - the slugs are attached to the main sail with an 1/8 line. I am not sure what this is called. Basically when the sail is reefed the line becomes loos and the bottom part of the main moves away from the slug. I am not sure how many bottom slugs are done this way. When the sail is not reefed the line is toughs ( stretched) and the luff is pulled into the slugs. I will take some photos next time I am there. You may be able to find this feature explained on a sail maker website. Here is an image that may show how it is done [url]http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?feature=34[/url]

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA.

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Haro's solution sounds like jack lines to me.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Three great solutions, none of which I have seen before. The mast gate is probably something that I could make and install without much trouble. Jack's suggestion of a block in the reefing crumble sounds like it would work but would have to reroute the front reefing line since it would no longer pass through the sail.
Haro, do the jack lines run the whole length of the luff or just at the relevant slugs! Is this part of the original design of the sail and can a sail be modified to use this system. I'm having a hard time visualizing how the whole thing works. When I do a google search for jack lines it only returns info about the safety jackline.

Paul Meyers
1986 Catalina 36
Hull #615
Ventura, California

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Paul - the jack line is weaved through the last 3 or 4 slugs only. Yes you should be able to change your sail ( without modifying the sail itself) so that it uses jack line instead of the luff connected to the slugs. I would think you would have to cut the slugs and remove them from the sail - you then have to use new ones. You weave the line through the sail loops where the slugs were connected and through the slugs and continue down to the last slug on the sail. Then raise the sail all the way and pull the line tight so that the luff is as close as possible to the slugs. It is similar to the way a shoe lace is weaved.

Haro Bayandorian, 1999 C36 MKII, Sail La Vie #1787, M35B,
Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA.

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Paul,
I had the same problem with Julandra (#659). During one of the first sails after I bought her, I put in the first reef for expected heavy winds. When the winds came, the two slugs above the reef ripped out, because the reefing line was only pulling the tack of the sail down. Nothing was pulling the tack of the sail forward, to counter-act the forces from the reefing line at the clew and the force of the wind on the sail. Very poor design, IMHO. After I had the sail repaired, I changed the way the forward reefing line (at the tack) was rigged. I kept the thumbscrew in place, but added a bullseye fairlead and eye strap to the mast. With the reefing line tied to the eye strap, up through the cringle, and down thru the fairlead, the tack of the sail was now pulled down AND forward, at roughly a 45 degree angle. It worked well for the next 17 years in all sorts of conditions. I assume it is still working well for the new owner. The fact that the sail is slightly bunched up just above the thumbscrew didn't matter at all. The sail shape was flat and tight. I've attached a pic showing the fairlead and eye strap installed for both the first and second reef. The first reef line comes down on the port side, the second reef line comes down on the stbd side. Sorry about the blue color. The pic was taken under a winter tarp. The second pic shows the first reef in place, sailing in 20-22 kts apparent. The reefing line could be tightened a bit more (down to the knot?), but it was working well, as the luff of the main is parallel to the mast, and no slugs are being ripped off. The second reefing line is not rigged in this pic. Hope this helps.

Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT

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Great info, Tom. Thanks for sharing.

Duane Ising - Past Commodore (2011-2012)
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Tom, I have never been satisfied with my single line reefing and like your solution. Any thoughts on how to handle the clew?....I have a MKII and the current single reef line exits the stbd side of the boom in an upward direction. A also have a full bimini so I don't have access to the aft end of the boom.

Stephen Kruse
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1995 C-36 MKII SR/WK
Lake Lanier, Ga.

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Thanks Tom,
looks like a simple solution that I might try this weekend. If memory serves me right (huge assumption) it should be easy to reroute my reefing line to the pad eye location.
BTW- I meant cringle above but my phone changed it to crumble.

Paul Meyers
1986 Catalina 36
Hull #615
Ventura, California

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