I have found a late model 36 that I am considering purchasing, and have a question about slip depth.
The draft is 5'10", and I am wondering what members here would feel would be a minimum acceptable slip depth?
The marina I am at thinks the depth is around 6', which is kind of cutting close for me. I find that hard to believe, and am going back at midnight, which is low tide, to measure.
If this is true, at negative tides, I would not be able to move, and stuck with a keel in the mud. That does not really appeal to me.
I love my marina, and really like this boat, but might have to consider moving, or looking for a shoal draft.
I appreciate any and all input.
Thanks
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA
You might want to consider: figure out what the really lowest water you'd see would be. Tonight may not be the lowest, so consult the tide tables to find the offsets. In fact, you don't need to go at night, you can go anytime and make the adjustments. What boats are on the other side of your proposed slip?
Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)
Stu,
Most of the boats at my marina are power, or small sailboats. There is a C34, that I think has a draft of 5'7".
Sadly, today was the first time I have ever really closely looked at a tide table.
I think I am reading it correct, but want to go back tonight at low tide to compare my high tide readings with what I get at low tide, to make sure I am really understanding this tide table correctly. This should give me an accurate idea of what my depth will be at a minus tide.
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA
Blair, as a west coast boater you will find that generally a fin keel is the preferred boat out here, so you may have trouble finding a shoal draft keel. Rather than select your boat for the slip, though, it would be better to select the slip for the boat.
Understanding the tide and current tables is an essential element of boating safety on the west coast, as our tides can range widely. Being stuck in the mud in your slip isn't the most serious issue, it is 1) the rock lurking in your weekend anchorage, 2) the clearance under that bridge, 3) having the proper scope on that anchor to allow for the tide rise, 4) choosing the best time to depart so that you won't be delayed by adverse current, 5) etc. In the front of the tide and current tables is usually a description of how to use them. The calculations can be quite arcane, sometimes, especially at subordinate stations. It does take practice.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Larry,
Yep, it looks like I am moving to another marina.
How much water would you want under your keel in your slip?
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA
I'd want a reliable couple of feet minimum. By reliable I mean at the worst case minus tide, plus an extra allowance for seiche concerns. Three ft or more would satisfy my worries most places.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
What I find kind of funny is that as a powerboater, I've never been concerned with a tide table, but as a sailor, it does make a difference. I just found out about negative tides.
Thanks again.
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA
Still trying to figure out depth of slip, but i believe it is going to be around 7.5 feet at a 0.00 tide.
going to measure it at a minus tide tomorrow at around 3 am.
i measured the depth of mud, and was able to bury a 6 foot long probe all the way.
something i just thought of is the rudder. not sure how it would like being stuck in the mud once in awhile. still not sure if i would go in the mud at a negative tide though.
looking at a 2004 C36, which is supposed to have a draft of 5'10". how far down does rudder stick? from the technical info i can find, i think it is 58" long, but not sure how far down it that makes it. i'm pretty sure keel is farther down than rudder though.
thanks.
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA
7.5 feet at minus tide should be just fine.
On the west coast we generally don't sail in 'skinny water.' That's an east coast thing. Heck, they don't even get nervous sailing along for hours with only a foot beneath the keel. That would require a serious shift in paradigm for me! Here in the Pacific Northwest we're used to deeper water. Leaving the Seattle Ship Canal's Green "1" buoy heading out into Puget Sound in just 1 nautical mile you have 500 feet under your keel! The flip side of this is that there are places you can be at 600 feet depth and one minute later you can ram your keel into a solid rock obstruction just invisible below the surface. (This happens way too often.)
To answer your question, yes, the rudder does go way down, almost to keel depth. I have had my keel in the mud in a slip - at a minus tide in La Push, Washington - and I simply waited a couple hours for more depth before I backed out.
A rudder is far more fragile than the keel and there are a number of ways to damage it: For example, backing down too fast and losing your grip on the wheel, the rudder will slam to a limit, and the sudden 'broadside' angle of attack of the rudder to the water can bend the rudder post. This is a risk with most sailboats, not just Catalinas. In your situation, backing out of a slip and shoving the rudder into a steeply rising bottom can do the same. I suggest you ask the marina about the 'shape', the topography, of the bottom...if it is flat mud throughout the marina then you will have no worries.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Another thing to keep in mind is the location of the slip. At a marina where the docks are close to and paralel to the shore line and the slip is perpendicular to the docks I always pull into the slip bow in. There may be 6 or 7 feet at the end of the slip, but only four feet at the front end of the slip. This way my rudder will be in the deeper water.
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Punta Gorda Florida
1990 Std WK M35 Hull #1050
depth measurements at minus tide went well.
i put on scuba gear and walked my slip and exit, and then took depth readings all the way to channel.
i made an offer tonight.
Blair White
2004 C36 MKII # 2169 "Dash"
Pacific Beach, CA