help! I'm anchored out inside ST. Joe Pt in St. Joe Bay, Florida.
While motor sailing this morning from Panama City, I looked down and saw that my Tach was reading 4,000. But the engine sound and speed had not changed from the last time i looked at 2700 and about 6 kts.
i know there is an adjusting pot on the back that i can access, but i'm reluctant to go messing with it until i understand what happed to cause the sudden change. The po installed a much later tach and panel in 2010-11 before i bought the boat. i've pulled everything apart from the panel to the altenator and can't find any loose or corroded wires. Looks like the rpm reading is from 700 to 1200 rpm's off depending on the speed.
Also i testing turning the pot and it was very stiff, i couldn't turn it with my fingers alone so i left it alone, not wanting to force it.
any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
If I understand correctly, the tach reading is high, but steady, not a wandering needle? If so, my guess would be the dip switches getting corroded. The dip switches on the tach are set for the number of poles in the alternator. When I switched to a high output alternator, which had a different number of poles, the tach read high, until I changed the correct dip switch setting. The trim pot is only for fine adjustment and would only be good at one particular rpm. It's possible that there's some corrosion in there.
The dip switch is under a rubber cover on the back of the tach. Maybe note the current setting, then flip the switches around a bit or better yet, spray some DeOxit or similar contact cleaner in there. Somewhere in the technical section there's a document that shows the different types and settings, but as long as you put it back the way it is, it should be OK.
If the needle was jumping around, I'd suspect a loose wire.
Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay
Is your charging system working normally? On some alternator set-ups a field wire or other alternator failure can throw the tach way out (mine goes low in that scenario).
Ralph Gorby
S/V Silver Flight, 1991 C36 #1153
M35B (2000)
Member, SNSYC
Victoria, BC
I had the EXACT same problem when I first put the boat in last year. Because I saw some fogging in the tach, I came to the same conclusion as you did relative to point corrosion. I spun the potentiometer 90 degrees clockwise, 90 degrees counterclockwise, and then back to it's original location. Everything was back to normal after that.
Good luck!
Joe Welna
OK I[m back in home port after the three week cruise. The Tach problem is still with me but only after the engine has been running underway for an hour or so. I tried wire brushing all the terminals and connections on the altenator with no improvement. I then pulled the altenator and took it to two different shops. They both put in on test benches and said it was fine.
I guess I'll try the turning the Pot idea. Which one is the Pot. I mean, what does it look like?
Thanks for the help.
Sam
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
On my tach, the trim pot is accessed via a small hole; you'll need a small screwdriver (jewelers screwdriver). They cleverly placed the hole under the metal bracket that holds the tach in place; when I had mine off, I drilled a hole in it so I don't have to take the tach off to make the adjustment. Note there were a few different tach used, so yours may be different than my picture.
Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay
It's the potentiometer that calibrates the tach to the engine RPM. Might be a good idea to have an optical tach handy so that if a few twists on the pot does fix the problem you can calibrate it accurately to the engine.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
Sam,
It would also be a good idea to twist back and forth the A-B-C-D selector switch on the back of the tach, if yours has one. That is another spot that can develop corrosion, and needs to be "exercised".
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
OK, thanks gentlemen. I'm off to the marina to try all those things. Only issue is that my problem is an intermittant one. So it will be hard to know for sure when it is solved. But I guess that if I run the engine all day underway without a reoccurance, I can be pretty confident.
Thanks as always for the assistance.
Oh and can I get a loan on the association's rpm meter? Do I need to pay for an additional year. I've paid for one.
Thanks
Sam
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
I'm not the membership person, but it looks to me like your C36IA Membership (capital M) is valid until Feb 17 2013.
Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
You can buy handheld optical tachs on eBay for $15. I bought one and a heat gun from a guy on there for $30 all in. Both very handy to have on a boat.
OK, after a long frustrating day the Tach problem is still with me.
So far I have:
- pulled the altenator and had it tested at two different shops. Both say its fine.
- wire brushed the wire terminals and mounting studs on the altenator.
- remounted the altenator and run the engine.
- turned the calibration pot on the altenator 180 degrees from current setting and back.
- looked for loose and corroded wires in system. (found none)
Results are:
- altenator running fine and showing +13.9 volts on meter at panel.
- Tach shows 1600 rpm on start-up but I've got idle setting as low as it can be set without engine stall. Turning the cal pot the other way only reduces the reading by about 100 rmp, so its already set at minimum reading.
Bottom line is that I'm really stumped. And did I mention that my tach is essentially new, having only about 4 hours on it when I acquired the boat last June? Maybe still in Warranty, I'm checking with the PO.
Other than that, I'm at a complete loss. (by the way, see my post on intermittant Alder Balder fridge, Could these two issues be related?)
Frustrated and drinking warm beer.
Sam
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
And on the Optical tachometer: Harbor Frieght Tools has them for $29.99.
Picked up one yesterday and it works great. Very simple to use.
So, I've confirmed my tack is reading 700 rpm high at idle but can't adjust it lower.
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
did you try rotating the A, B, C, D selector as Tom Soko mentioned? My tach has the same 4 settings, but you select them via dip switches, very small switches arranged horizontally under a black cover. You can see the black cover in the pic I posted earlier. If those selections are corroded and therefore incorrect, the tach would read way off and you most likely could not correct it with the trim pot.
I'm sure by this point you've also tried swearing at it. That's usually one of my first techniques; doesn't necessarily work but makes me feel better:)
Gary and Cathy Price
1997 C36 Mk II Tall Rig/Wing Keel Imagine...
Hull # 1617
Worton Creek, Md.
Northern Chesapeake Bay
Gary, No, I didn't turn that ABCD selelector yet. I guess the fact that it had some red "sealant'(?) paint on it made me reluctant. Plus the fact that the tach and whole instrument panel is less than a year old makes me doubt that corroded contacts would be an issue. (home berth is 3 miles up a fresh water river) But I'm out of ideas so I'll try that next. Thanks for reminding me.
Swearing at it?? believe me, I have. I think I might have even made up some new words.
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
pOK, thank you Tom and Gary. It took you both to get it through my thick skull, but I finally turned the ABCD adjuster around about 180 and back and guess what! [B]Tach is now right on the money [/B](actually a very agreeable ~50rpm low and confirmed by my brand new $29 optical tack). The adjuster now feels really loose without that red dope on it. I put a piece of friction tape over it but that didn't feel like the best fix. I won't know for sure if that is a perminant fix for the tack until I take it out under load for a few hours.
But I'm feeling a lot better. What would I do without this organization!
It was one of my reasons for choosing the boat and you people are the greatist!!
Sam:p:p
Capt. Sam Murphy
1994 Catalina 36, Hull 1327
Shoal draft, two cabin model.
Panama City, Florida
Sam,
As a replacement for the drop of red laquer, raid the Admiral's make-up kit, and use a drop or two of fingernail polish. It's basically the same stuff. You can use fire engine red if you want, or go with something more "subtle" !!!
Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT
I realize this is an old thread but the same thing happened to us yesterday. Motoring in dead calm at about 2600 rpm-6.5 knots. When I glanced at the instruments, rpm's had jumped to above 3000. More throttle gave me close to 4000 and idle ran around 1200.
I figured I should not take a chance so we ran slow for the rest of the day.
We have a 375, so I wasn't sure that moving the tachometer selector back and forth would apply. Turns out it did the trick. Only 4 years old in freshwater but I guess corosion does not care.
Always finding good information in the forum.
Francois Desrochers - C375 Tech Editor
S/V Alizes #15
Lake Ontario
2009 C375