original panel wiring diagram

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original panel wiring diagram

Hi
Does someone have the wiring diagram of the original engine panel that would be on my '85 (#476)?
I still have the original wiring and have noticed that the voltage reading (i check ~5-10 times a summer with a meter - need on-board gadgets!) at the far end of the circuit connecting to battery switch (via starter solonoid) is < 12.8 volts, which i do not believe is sufficient for charging. I have ~13.9V at the alternator. I left the boat 60 Miles down the coast last weekend and would like to put in a temp solution Friday night before i voyage home Saturday/Sunday. I think i can simply add a jumper between the alternator output and the starter solenoid terminal to bypass the long cable run through engine panel's amp meter. I would like to examine a wiring diagram to see what else needs to be done (IE disconnect the return from the amp meter to solenoid terminal) without affecting other functions (ignition, glow lugs etc) of the current configuration.
I suspect this info is in the members section, but my membership expired in june, and is being renewed (i miss the Mainsheets!).

I still have not changed the wiring between the panel and engine. It has always gotten pushed down the priority list, I inspect the condition of the harness on a regular basis. It is now a must do before 2012 launch!

Thanks in advance for any help!
ericrrmorinhotmail.com

Eric
LEOMARE #476

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Eric,
If you still have the long wiring run thru an ammeter at the engine panel, then you most likely still have the molded 8-pin connectors at the engine end and the panel end of the wiring harness. CHANGE THEM NOW AND DO THE WIRING HARNESS UPGRADE! Don't wait until next spring. There have been many articles written about this, and there is at least one on this website. Go to the Technical tab on the home page, and then the Important Notices tab. It should be one of the first articles. I don't believe you have to be a C36/375IA member to access the Important Notices section (for good reason!) The molded plugs are very likely the source of your electrical gremlins. Once you do the harness upgrade (with or without replacing the wires), you will be amazed at how much more efficient your charging system will be! Hope this helps.

Tom Sokoloski
C36/375IA Past Commodore
Noank, CT

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On top of the gremlins that Tom mentioned, there are cases where the connectors have shorted and caught on fire. The wiring harness upgrade is not a convience upgrade, it is a [COLOR="Red"]SAFETY[/COLOR] upgrade!

It's not that hard, only takes a couple of hours. One suggestion that is also a time saver, is just hard wire the engine end of the harness. Slide a piece of shrink wrap over the wires and solder them one at a time. If you ever pull the engine, you will most likely disconnect the wires from the engine anyway, so why add another failure point.

Ken and Vicki Juul
SV Luna Loca
C34 #1090
Chesapeake Bay

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Eric,

I purchased and updated the wire harness on my boat this spring. The kit comes with everything you need including easy to read instructions. It's pretty much connecting blue to blue, red to red, green to green and so on. I also noted several of the wires that were in the harness were a heavier gauge than their originals which equates to less resistance and better voltage at the receiving end. If you get the harness kit study the instructions. The instructions are straight forward and make the install easier.

Getting rid of the amp meter and replacing it with the volt meter that comes with the kit was also an improvement. I find the volt meter a better indicator of what's going on with my alternator and batteries while motoring.

Also if you have not done so the glow plug solenoid retrofit is a must. The instructions on this project are noted in our upgrades. You will improve your glow plug time! Mine went from 40-50 seconds on the GP switch to 5-10 seconds. The volt difference on the glow plug end went from around 9.1 V to better than 13 V's. You end up pulling your power off of the starter + stud and running about 24" rather than the 25+ feet with a smaller gauge wire from the engine compartment to the glow plug switch and back to the glow plugs. (It's about a 1-2 hours project at the most).

And...if and when you have the extra cash consider upgrading your alternator, if you have the old Motorola model, and add an external regulator. You will improve you charging at least +1 V, from around 13.2 to 14.2 V's. The older Motorola alternators were only designed to put out around 13.2 V's whereas the newer alternators are in the 14.2 range. I now have full starting power when starting my engine after sailing all day. There was a night and day difference between before and after my install. And... this upgrade is also on our site.

Good luck!

Chris

Chris Stewart
S/V "24~7"
1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #251 M25
(SF Bay) Alameda, CA

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Thanks everyone for the feedback.

I was planning on replacing all wiring this winter (bypass the current meter and add a solenoid for glow plugs) as part of an engine haul project (new mounts, new oil pan, paint job, etc). Is the danger related to the connector itself shorting within the molded plastic, or general overloading (heat) on different components throughout the loop?

I can easily cut out the 8 pin connector and solder short term, but wanted to bypass the current amp meter as well to get the high load off the long cable run through the panel. I was hoping to see an original diagram to ensure i am not going to break something else..

Thanks

Eric
LEOMARE #476

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Eric,

I suggest you contact Seaward Products. They sell the Catalina/Universal wiring and volt meter upgrade. If you ask they will send you the price of their upgrade products along with their specs that also includes their wiring diagram that matches your wiring setup. It also has some of the simple wiring fixes you can do now like bypassing/removing the amp meter from the circuit (Example: Orange wire from alternator is cut and connected to + terminal on the starter. This quick fix will give you direct amps/volts from the alternator directly to the + post on the starter giving you full voltage. Otherwise with the amp meter still connected your voltage goes from the alternator all the way to the amp meter and back to the starter with a noticeable voltage drop due the the small gauge wire and the long wire run). I'd send you the file but the info package is too large for me to attach to this posting.

Contact Seaward at:

[url]http://www.seawardproducts.com/[/url]

Also, when I replaced my old harness I inspected the plugs at the engine and control panel end. I did not find any problems with corrosion or burnt connectors. That said there could have been some hidden corrosion or an unseen problem just waiting to cause me grief? I suppose a quick fix might be a temporary fix but remember how old your current harness is, 25+ years. It depends on how lucky you feel especially if you have the Captain on board and something happens...

Chris

Chris Stewart
S/V "24~7"
1984 Catalina 36 Tall
Hull #251 M25
(SF Bay) Alameda, CA

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As others have mentioned, this is a must do. I'm sure your C36 webmasters have a list of critical upgrades.

We do, too, and it is here: [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5078.0.html[/url]

Among a very repetitive list of issues is this one on page 2 of that topic: [url]http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?action=post;msg=35943;topic=5078.15;sesc=9a...

If you read the links in that post, you'll see pictures of why this could be a fire hazard. It is not necessarily the wiring from the engine to the cockpit panel, it is the connectors at each end.

Many of the rest of the items in that topic are applicable to your boat, too.

A link to the original Seaward article is: [url]http://www.c34.org/wiki/index.php?title=Engine_Harness_Upgrade[/url]

This includes the wiring diagram you requested.

If you have an M25 engine, check to see that the alternator bracket has been upgraded, links in the Critical Upgrade topic.

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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Thanks Everyone.
I will by-pass the long loop to the panel by jumping the alternator output directly to the starter solenoid for a short term fix (reduce high current through long loop/8-pin connectors/amp-meter); I will contact seaward for the Kit ASAP.

Stu, I have upgraded the alternator bracket per the bulletins..thanks!

Cheers
Eric

Eric
LEOMARE #476

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Eric,

Just for information and from the discussion on our Critical Upgrades page, where did you purchase your alternator bracket upgrade package?

Stu

Stu Jackson, C34IA Secretary, C34 #224, 1986, SR/FK, M25 engine, Rocna 10 (22#)

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