1995 Wing Keel Delamination

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1995 Wing Keel Delamination

I have a 1995 C36 MK II with a wing keel. While prepping the boat for a bottom job I noticed the flat horizontal surface of the keel had a separate piece of metal coming away from the main body of the keel at the aft area. It seems almost as if the keel was made with an outer skin that had become delaminated. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone have any suggestions as to how this should be repaired? Thanks for your input.

Glenn Ponting
Hull # 1425
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Yes. The keel is coated with an Epoxy or Fiberglass kind of coating. (Thats the outer skin you are noticing) Are you sure that piece that you observing coming off is the lead keel? Probably not, I bet if you took a piece of of what you see and examined it you will notice it is not lead.

Almost half of the bottom of my keel did not have the "outer skin" when I bought the boat with only 50 hours on it (1999 Hull # 1800 Wing Keel). And over the years its not probably closer to 60-70% of the bottom is just exposed lead. . It hasn't hurt anything. When I prepare the boat for bottom paint I just flake off the loose epoxy and smooth it out as best I can, then slap some paint on it and go sailing. Its not ideal, but its not very easy to do much work under there when its on small wood blocks for the winter, so I live with it.

I never really liked it, it is not a very smooth surface or bottom at all. If I wanted to really race it would be a liability (but then having a wing keel doesn't help either) I have thought about having a yard lift it in slings and fill with microballoon and smooth with epoxy, but I have just lived with it. Once the boats in the water I never really think about it again until I am bottom painting again next spring.

I would not worry about anything major being a problem. Its solid lead under that coating. If you want you can remove that delaminated area and reapply some epoxy and smooth out.

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Thanks for your response. Since I happened to be gouging out blisters at the time anyway (another thread perhaps?), I took my Dremel and ground the loose sheet of material. It appeared shiny and metalic like the main body of the keel. Has anyone ever heard of a bad "pour" where the keel was cast poorly and they did it in two stages? I suppose I could contact Catalina regarding the keel, but lately they have not been very rersponsive.

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Glenn,

I may be way off base here as I have no knowledge of the wing keel and own a MKI boat. I do not know of any metal being used for the keels on our boats, is it possible that the previous owner had an HF Radio onboard, if so he may have added a metal ground plane to the keel for the HF transmitter.

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Or could it have been someone's lightning protection grounding plate? Glenn, your signature doesn't indicate where you are based, so we're sorta throwing darts here.

Catalina 36 keels are cast lead, so it is unlikely to be a manufacturing defect.

Larry Brandt
S/V High Flight #2109
Pacific Northwest, PDX-based
2002 C-36 mkII SR/FK M35B
 

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It sounds identical to an issue I had with the wing keel (Mars Metals) on my ODay 322. There was a "blister" like blemish on top of the winged portion of the keel.

It did appear to have a "shell" over the exterior of the lead keel made of a material I could not determine. I ground it out to clean lead, filled it with epoxy, ground/sanded it fair, painted it and went sailing. I never resurfaced as a problem but I sold the boat the following year.

Bill Boggs
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1991 C36, Hull 1128
Herrington Harbor South
Chesapeake Bay

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I sail on Lake Michigan out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin but purchased the boat about 18 months ago in Port Huron, Michigan. I have been told mine was likely a Florida boat. A ground plate or radio antenna seem like plausible explanations. I am starting to think the best thing is just to re-attach the loose sheet, cover it with marine epoxy, paint it, then pretend I never saw it. Thanks to all who offered their thoughts.

Glenn P.
[I]Caribbean Soul[/I]
Hull # 1425

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I had the same situation on top of my wing keel. It looked like delaminatig metal and also showed some rust. Somehow there was a bad pour on my keel. I pryed up the loose stuff, ground to shiny lead, repaired with west system as described for this type of repair. Basically grind out the repair area (I used a wire wheel on an electric drill), wire brush a light coating of unthickened epoxy into the repair, after it is set - finish filling (fairing) with thickened epoxy. You can spread thickened epoxy with a plastic speader. Sand smooth, barrier coat and then bottom paint. My damage was at least a quarter inch to a half inch deep and about 8x10 inches. BTW, do not reattach the bad slag that you removed. You can repair this like new, fair it and go sailing. The west system instructions include repairs of this type. One last note; if you take on the repair protect yourself from lead exposure..particles when grinding/sanding.

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Oddly enough, within a few days of posting my question here I happened upon a post on the SailboatOwners/CatalinaOwners.com website. That forum posting included pictures of a C30 MK III that had the identical problem to mine. It seems that Catalina's wing keel supplier must have some quality control issues that transcend model lines. I think I will grind away the loose material (it sure looks like lead to me) and fair it back in with epoxy. Thanks for the reminder to protect against lead exposure when grinding. I will be sure to wear the appropriate protective gear. Now I just have the keel repair, 5 coats of Interlux 2000E, and 2 coats of VC-17 before launching in 11 days!

Glenn Ponting
1995 C36 MK II, Hull # 1425
[I]Caribbean Soul[/I]

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