We just purchased a 36 1997 Catalina MKII. We initially didn't know how to heat the glow plugs so we tried to crack the engine up a few times with no luck. She did start a few days later for about 10 min and then shut off, we only tried her once that day. We tried her 2 times about 2 weeks later for a very short period of time (about 5 seconds each) To be honest we are a little nervous about it. The helm says to drain the aqualift muffler. We attached pics of what ours looks like and it appears the valve is broken. The screw that is sticking out is a hole that stops at the fiberglass area but I cant see a way to get this to drain. The wing nut looking thing is literally doing nothing and has rotted.
The engine area itself has no visible signs that there has been water in there as there is blue dust, white dust and engine paint chips.
Can any of you look at the pics and tell us how to get this to drain?
Dana and Scotty Gillette
1997 Catalina 36 MKII
Rootless (Hull # 1624)
Tacoma, WA
Purchased in Sept 2016
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Dana and Scotty Gillette
1997 Catalina 36 MKII
Rootless (Hull # 1624)
Tacoma, WA
Purchased in Sept 2016




[quote=svrootless]We tried her 2 times about 2 weeks later for a very short period of time (about 5 seconds each) ... [/quote]
If you've only cranked 10 seconds in total, I wouldn't be too worried. Now that you know about the glow plugs switch, I'd give it one more try -- but only after making sure to use the glow plugs for maybe 30 or 40 seconds. If it doesn't start after about 5-10 seconds of cranking, then yes, you'll should drain the muffler to clear out the accumulated water, before you try further cranking.
[quote=svrootless] ... The helm says to drain the aqualift muffler. We attached pics of what ours looks like and it appears the valve is broken. The screw that is sticking out is a hole that stops at the fiberglass area but I cant see a way to get this to drain. The wing nut looking thing is literally doing nothing and has rotted. The engine area itself has no visible signs that there has been water in there as there is blue dust, white dust and engine paint chips. Can any of you look at the pics and tell us how to get this to drain? Dana and Scotty Gillette 1997 Catalina 36 MKII Rootless (Hull # 1624) Tacoma, WA Purchased in Sept 2016[/quote]
Your 2nd and 3d pictures seem to clearly show the drain valve (looks in about the same condition as ours!). The valve looks sufficiently intact to operate. What do you mean it is "literally doing nothing."? Have you attempted to unscrew it?
You should be able to unscrew the entire assembly, if needed, so that the water drains out.
Catalina Direct has replacements ( www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1932/aqua-lift-muffler-drain-valve.cfm ) for about $12, pictured below. (If you end up removing the entire assembly to drain it, and the thing disintegrates, I suppose you could just temporarily thread a bolt in there as a plug while you wait for a replacement to be shipped.)
Matthew Chachère
s/v ¡Que Chévere!
(Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25)
2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30.
Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY
So the entire screw comes out? Its just weird because the screw has a hole going through the center and when I stick something in it, it comes out wet but cant enter the muffler. Also do you know if there is always a small amount of water in there?
Dana and Scotty Gillette
1997 Catalina 36 MKII
Rootless (Hull # 1624)
Tacoma, WA
Purchased in Sept 2016
Yours look like mine. I have never tried to open it. I would agree with Matthew that you could remove the whole fitting. You could just put it back in after draining. If it NG than i guessing a pipe plug would work, It's maybe 1/4 NPT. Just take it with you to the store to match size. It won't measure 1/4.
Another way would be to loosen the "hump" hose. If no water is coming out at the hump hose then the muffler is not over full. The hump hose is in your last photo. Looks like you have a black one.
A very good mod is to change this hose to the new "Blue hump hose"
Chuck Lennox
97 MKii Ventura Ca
Island Girl Hull #1611
I have never had to open this valve. Some valves must be turned clockwise to open. Can someone else confirm its rotation direction.
Sail La Vie 1999 Catalina 36 MKII, M35B-17031, Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA
About Sail La Vie
Mine is rusted shut also. I figure if I have cranking problems - I'd just shutoff the raw-water intake and have some one ready to turn it of once the engine starts (no water in - means no water filling up the muffler). Probably have to look at the impeller when back at the dock - but no tow.
Les
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore
get on the drain with some penitrating fluid and a wire toothbrush -- it will turn into the muffler and water should come out the center.
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore
Sounds like a common problem, our boat had the same issue when we bought it. Purchased a new one from CD and used a vise grip to remove the corroded fitting. It disintegrated but came out without leaving any bits in the muffler. The new fitting threads into the muffler, use pipe dope or teflon tape on the treads. When functioning properly the fitting body stays stationary, turning the wings CCW will allow water to drain out the center hole.
Gary Smith
93 MK I, Hull #1231
Std rig; wing keel
M35A Oberdorfer conversion
Hey Gary, do you remember if the replacement fitting threaded into the female threads from the old fitting on the muffler or you had to drill a new hole?
It looks like CD says you need this valve tap that cuts a 1/4"-18 NPT tapered thread
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3305/aqua-lift-muffler-d...
Is that only if there is damage to your existing threads?
I also read somewhere that a brass nipple 1/4" brass nipple and a ball valve could serve as a drain too. Do you think this would work or should I just get the drain replacement from CD?
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Josh Rosenheck
89 MK I, Hull #916
Stg rig, Marina del Rey
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Josh Rosenheck
89 MK I / Hull #916 / Stg rig
Marina del Rey, CA
I would want to run a tap in the hole before installing a new valve (lots of “stuff” in the threads upstream of current valve). Any 1/4” x18 NPT tap will work, price them out at your local hardware store! A ball valve and nipple should work keep nipple short so it doesn’t break off due to vibrational loads. If you can find a valve with male threads on the inlet side it would be even better
Les & Trish Troyer
Mahalo
Everett, WA
1983 C-36 Hull #0094
C-36 MK 1 Technical Editor.
Commodore